Welcome to the Fab Fourum!

 
Welcome to the Fab Fourum blog, my friends!

Here is the place for all of you kind folks to leave your thoughts, comments and opinions about the show, our moderators and guests and ... of course ... the Beatles!

You can also feel free to give your take on the topics of the Fab Fourum episodes. (But if you do, you may want to remind folks just WHICH episode you're commenting on, LOL!)

Of course, the usual rules apply ... please be kind and respectful to one another, and let's remember that there are Beatle fans of all ages out there.  We can certainly keep things "mature" ... but let's all do our best to spare our young fans any gratuitous foul language.  (Although, if we're quoting John we may have no choice sometimes, LOL!!)

Alrighty then ... we have started this ball a'rollin'! Pick it up and have some fun ... on the new Fab Fourum blog!

Peace,

Tony / Co-moderator of the Fab Fourum
 


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02/15/2010 17:54

I love the podcast guys, reminds me of Christmas morning everytime a new episode downloads in iTunes. Listening to the Love Songs show now as I type this.

Nice site and cool to actually finally put faces to the voices.

Keep up the great work!

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Sean Courtney
02/24/2010 11:02

Hey, here's something that could be up for discussion...

We know that the mono version of _Sgt. Pepper's..._ is allegedly the officially definitive version. George Martin said so. I know at LEAST one of the Beatles said so (I'm thinking George?). And in fact, mono is considered to be definitive for most Beatles releases, and fans refer to how the mono mixes were what the Beatles were usually present for and stereo was an after-thought as the ammo for this.

But dig. Listen to your mono copy of _Sgt. Pepper's..._. You'll find the following:
- Most of the album plays back slightly slowly, so it sounds a bit flat.
- The audience sound effects come in and out rather abruptly.
- The transition between "Good Morning, Good Morning" and the title track's reprise is rather atrocious.
- The transition between the title track and "With A Little Help From My Friends" is a bit awkward.

Now, listen to the stereo version, and you'll find:
- The songs are closer to concert pitch. (BTW -- what is the CORRECT key for "She's Leaving Home"? It's in F on the mono, E on the stereo...anybody know which version was altered?)
- The audience sound effects fade in and out very smoothly.
- The chicken sound at the end of "Good Morning, Good Morning" blends in seamlessly with that guitar lick at the beginning of "SPLHCB (reprise)."
- Ditto from the title track to "With A Little Help From My Friends." Very seamless!

Plus...look at what happened to the Beatles. Candlestick Park, 1966 -- performed a concert as the moptops fans all knew and love, then disappeared. They reemerged from their cocoons in 1967 ditching the matching suits and wearing very colorful clothes, donning moustaches, and introducing some music that was a radical departure for them...yet, they want us to think that old-fashioned AM-radio MONO is the way to go with all this newfangled Beatle stuff?? Let's hear the music in colorful stereo! And it seems obvious to me that the stereo mix had more attention -- the mistakes were fixed, and there's even a panning effect on John's voice in "A Day In The Life" that you can't hear in mono.

What d'yall think?

(Also, think of other mistakes that existed in mono that were corrected in stereo...the intro to "I Call Your Name," the double-tracked vocal errors in "Slow Down" and "Matchbox," the fast speed and sloppy violin playing of "Don't Pass Me By," the missing "I got blisters on my fingers" in "Helter Skelter"...if these mistakes were fixed in stereo, then can we truly say that the mono mixes are the way to go?)

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03/02/2010 17:22

Hey Sean, nice post you made there. I guess it is just the TWO OF US here. Perhaps you and I can make a Beatle podcast and call it the Fab Twosome! Ha!

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Tony Traguardo of Fab Fourum
03/02/2010 20:22

Yep ... we DO need to publicize this blog more, LOL!

Thanks for the comments so far, guys.

Sean, I have to say that the whole dilemma about which ones are "correct" with regards to the mono or stereo versions is really a tough one. Your points are all dead on. The White Album and Pepper are, by far, the most puzzling. I mean ... KEY DIFFERENCES! Yikes. And the bizarre fiddle ending on the (very sped up) "Don't Pass Me By" on the mono White Album is downright weird, really.

It's funny but as we discuss in the episode, sometimes the artists may or may not have the best perspectives on their own work. So, even if the Fabs themselves favored or "claimed ownership" of the mono mixes over the stereo, does that really make them ... for us listeners here in 2010 ... the definitive statements. Hmmmm??

As for me, I do love those mono mixes! Uhhh, but then again the stereo mixes are really very ...
Oh, nevermind!!

Thanks for listening!

Peace,
Tony Traguardo of Fab Fourum

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03/03/2010 21:53

Hey Tony!

Nice of you to stop by your own blog! HaHaHa

I grew up listening to the stereo versions and have tried, I mean TRIED, real hard to listen to the monos and I have such a tough time doing it. I mean, the only reason I like to hear them is for the differences. In terms of being better than stereo??? Not in my book. But to each his own.

Keep up the good work Tony and looking forward to your next show...The Perfect White Album! wink

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Sean Courtney
03/04/2010 09:26

I will say this, though...what really blew me away with The Beatles In Mono: "Tomorrow Never Knows." Seriously, it left me speechless, quite literally. My wife and I sat and listened to it the night of September 8 (mine arrived a day early :) ) and she was slapping me in the arm getting me to say something. After a few minutes, all I could say was, "George Martin is a f***ing GENIUS." While I don't think the monos overall sound as bright as the stereos, the mono "Tomorrow Never Knows" (which I've had on vinyl for years, but my mono vinyl copy isn't that great) is so revealing. You can actually hear George Martin play the studio as if it were an instrument. Just absolutely amazing.

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Tony Traguardo of Fab Fourum
03/06/2010 09:24

Hey David ...

Have you been sneaking around our studio? LOL ...

Hmm ...

Peace,
Tony

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03/06/2010 19:45

Yes Tony, I was always a closet private eye...Ha!

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Hi guys,

Thanks for joining the blog. We have big contest news coming up soon!!!! And David, we think you will be very happy tomorrow!

Take care.

Mitch

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03/08/2010 17:42

WHOAH! You guys are awesome! Thanks so much for doing a show that I suggested. I shall treasure it forever!!! Checking it out now.

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03/08/2010 18:26

A very fun, energetic and excellent show! All of your choices were interesting. Unlike the four of you I had no problem leaving Back In The USSR off of the album. That song has just never hit me as one I like to listen to. When I crank up the White Album I hit the skip button and go right to Dear Prudence...not that, that would be the first track that I would have kicked the album off with, I just love that track so much and want to hear it first usually.

Here is my list, not in any particular order:

Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
I'm So Tired
Don't Pass Me By
Martha My Dear
Helter Skelter
Birthday
Yer Blues
Sexy Sadie
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Mother Nature's Son
I Will
Savoy Truffle

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Niels Harild
03/10/2010 03:14

Guys!!!! - Really love your show. How about a discussion about what set list the beatles would have chosen if they went on a tour in 1969, like Paul suggested.

my White album:
1. Back in the ussr
2. Dear Prudence
3. While my guitar gently weeps
4. Ob la di ob la da
5. Don´t pass me by
6. I will
7. Julia

1. Birthday
2. Sexy sadie
3. Savoy truffle
4. Mother Nature´s sun
5. Why don´t we do it ...
6. Revolution 1
7. Can you take me back
8. happiness is a warm gun

THANKS AGAIN FOR A GREAT SHOW

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Niels Harild
03/11/2010 13:00

and another topic:

The world deserves a new Paul Mccartney compilation.
Covering the period from All The Best to now.
But which songs and which concept should he go for.
A singles compilation og maybe a more quality oriented album?

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garydobbs
02/10/2013 18:01

I've always thought Macias best solo stuff came from tug of war onwards

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Bill Saunders
03/11/2010 18:19

My White Album (Bill Saunders, 46yo huge Beatles fan):
Side 1
1. USSR
2. Prudence
3. Everybody' got something to hide...
4. Ob-La-Di
5. Blackbird
6. Sexy Sadie
7. Why don't we do it...
8. Guitar Gently Weeps
Side 2
9. Birthday
10. Happiness is a warm gun
11. Rocky Raccoon
12. I'm So Tired
13. Helter Skelter
14. Glass Onion
15. Rev 1
16. Good Night

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03/12/2010 04:18

Hello hello! Trying out your new contest and found this blog within. You should mention it on your show.

Here's my single disc White Album, with the songs slightly rearranged (man, this is hard):

Back In The U.S.S.R.
Dear Prudence
While My Guitar Gently Weeps (acoustic)
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Rocky Raccoon
Julia
Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Revolution 1
Mother Nature's Son
Helter Skelter
Cry Baby Cry
Revolution 9
Good Night

You heard me right...I'm keeping Number 9! I love that collage, and Good Night is perfect afterward. Poor George only gets one song, though, but that's life.

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Lynn McKenzie
03/12/2010 07:35

Oh, and re my single White Album: I just realized that it's skewed toward John songs. This is probably because much of Paul's material is kind of lightweight. At least, in my opinion. I never cared for Ob-La-Di, although I like the outtake version better.

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03/12/2010 12:01

Wow...I noticed how nobody's including "Long, Long, Long," including FF's four hosts...and I for one applaud that omission -- I could never, ever stand that song! I remember either in 1996 or 1997 at the Chicago/Rosemont/whatever Beatlefest when a moptop-style band did that song NOTE-PERFECT in the Battle of the Bands!

Anyway...here's my single-disc proposal:

SIDE 1:
1) Birthday -- what a great way to open what could have potentially been a birthday present to someone!

2) Dear Prudence -- there's something powerful and trancelike about this song that just really pulls you in.

3) Glass Onion -- admittedly, I used to hate this song, but after seeing how it was staged in Love I really gained a new appreciation for it.

4) Piggies -- the first of a trilogy of "absurdities" that I think need to be included. I always loved this song. I also always thought "Fish Heads" was kind of akin to it as well but without the pissiness.

5) Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da -- Paul's contribution to the absurdity.

6) Revolution 9 -- John's absurdity. I love this track for what it is. Plus, it's really important to John's (and arguably The Beatles') legacy as a whole. And because this track is so long, I'm keeping side 1 down to six tracks. Side 1 ends with a "Revolution," so...

SIDE TWO:...begins with...
1) Revolution 1, and hence begins the "unplugged" side of the Beatles.

2) The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill -- we need a good singalong song as the follow-up.

3) I Will -- and tack on the "Can You Take Me Back" thing.

4) Julia -- just to make a Lennon versus McCartney battle!

5) Blackbird - to finish the battle. Who wins? It's up to you!

6) Helter Skelter -- quite a harsh, gritty, attention-getting stifling of the acoustic section! Very much akin to the Beach Boys' <I>Friends</I> album being such a mellow piece of work, then suddenly ending with the raucous "Transcendental Meditation."

7) While My Guitar Gently Weeps -- what better way to close out a 1968 album? A very important George track should not be ignored.

As for "Don't Pass Me By" -- I love the song, personally, especially after seeing Eric Howell perform it at the Old Town School of Folk Music a couple of years ago. But I think it should be shelved and saved for a Ringo solo album, personally.

And no "Good Night"?!? What?! Come on, too predictable. Besides, read on:

YELLOW SUBMARINE dream lineup:
SIDE 1 [soundtrack]:
1) Yellow Submarine -- gotta have the theme song. Stereo or mono, include the extra "a life of ease!" shout.

2) Only A Northern Song -- in TRUE stereo.

3) All Together Now -- as usual.

4) Nowhere Man -- come on, you NEED Jeremy's theme song!

5) Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds -- I'm including this because it was included in the cassette version of the soundtrack, but I'm going to go one step further: use the version that has Jeremy singing the first verse!

6) Hey Bulldog

7) It's All Too Much -- with the "time for me to look at you" verse. Great rocker, great way to end something!

Notice how this pretty closely follows the order of the new songs as they appear in the movie.

SIDE TWO: [non-soundtrack]
1) Honey Pie -- yeah, an odd way to open, but a nice way to transition from a cartoon soundtrack. Also, slightly musically reminiscent of "When I'm Sixty-Four."

2) Mother Nature's Son -- we can't let this sit in the vaults. I always liked it, but I never realized how truly divine it is until I heard the mono version on the box set.

3) Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey [yikes, I actually spelled it "Monkee"...] -- the lyrics are as trippy as the animation, and it's a good rocker.

4) Sexy Sadie -- nice juxtaposition, eh?

5) Savoy Truffle -- yes, this makes the album George-heavy (much like <I>Revolver</I>), but why not put a candy song on a cartoon soundtrack?

6) I'm So Tired -- see where I'm going?

7) Good Night -- just think...a cartoon movie that the kids would probably like. Ringo opens with a kids' song. Now, Ringo closes by lullabying the li'l uns to sleep. And how cool it is to have Ringo sing two songs on the same album -- and bookending that album!

Sorry I went on for so long...just that when you get me talking about something I dig, I can't shut up. :)

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03/12/2010 12:19

Which, of course, leaves enough material available for the inevitable filler album that Apple would put out in 1971 for Beatles fans in denial:

SIDE 1:
1) Back In The USSR -- the word "back" tells the subconscious mind, "They're back!!"

2) Happiness Is A Warm Gun -- gotta have John's Yoko song.

3) Rocky Raccoon -- why not follow a gun song with a song about a guy who gets shot?

4) Cry, Baby, Cry -- mourning for Rocky?

5) Why Don't We Do It In The Road -- just for a change of pace

6) Wild Honey Pie -- to continue the wackiness of the prior song.

7) Long, Long, Long -- might as well use this song, huh? Besides, some people like it.

SIDE TWO:
1) Martha My Dear -- hey, it already makes an interesting opening, so why not use it theoretically as an opener as well?

2) Yer Blues -- similar enough to Plastic Ono Band, so why not use it for a 1971 Beatles album?

3) Not Guilty -- hey, they did 100+ takes, so why let it sit in the vaults for 25 years?

4) Don't Pass Me By -- okay, let's NOT hold it for a Ringo solo album!

5) Across The Universe -- the WWF version, for those who didn't like the Spector version

6) What's The New Mary Jane -- really, why the heck not? :)

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03/15/2010 20:14

In reference to Show #24 - B-sides

A great topic, anytime you got off the "beaten" path and talk about such interesting topics like this the better. The "bab" four, did just that here and covered just about every imaginable B-Side/Extra Album track possible...some I had never even heard of...probably because I was never into buying the 12" vinyls or could not find some of the 45's mentioned back in the day at my local record shops.

My favorite B-Sides have always been:

Miss 'O Dell - love that track w/ George laughing
Early 1970
Down And Out - sounds like a track it could have been an unissued track off of Ringo's Rotogravure
Once Upon A Long Ago - what an emotional track
Lunch Box/Odd Sox
I Can't Imagine
Down To The River
Bridge On The River Suite

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03/16/2010 03:23

We actually did not mention one of the absolute BEST Macca songs, "Daytime Nightime Suffering." There's just so many good ones, ya can't name them all!

Thanks for listening everyone!

Mitch

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Mitch Clendening
03/16/2010 21:41

Love the podcast. I listen with a smile on my face.

I was disappointed, though, when in #24, you failed to mention what is probably my favorite solo B-side: "Girl's School"! How many songs rocked better than that?

My friends and I made a lot of solo compilation tapes, and GS was always on mine.

Something I'd like to hear you discuss is whether there is an audible difference between the Apple USB thumb drive release of the remastered catalog, and the CD releases. I've read many accounts of how much better the 24-bit lossless tracks on the USB release sound, but I've also read that it takes a high quality sound system and discerning ears to find any difference between 16 and 24 bit tracks.

Keep it up guys! Remember, you're more than fab... you're GEAR!

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03/17/2010 03:10

Great show on solo B-sides! There are so many great "lost tracks", it's hard to remember them all. Paul, particularly, could do an entire boxed set just of songs that are currently out of print. (If anyone could help me find some of these, it would be marvelous...such as the bonus tracks from CHAOS AND CREATION, for example.)

Some of my favorites are:

Move Over Ms. L
Miss O'Dell
Lay His Head
Early 1970
Daytime Nighttime Suffering
Girls' School
Secret Friend (awesome!!)
Loveliest Thing
The remix of Pretty Little Head--I suppose technically that was an A-side, but it's awfully hard to find in the U.S.
Mama's Little Girl
Back on My Feet
The original take of Beautiful Night

...and the list just goes on and on.

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Lynn McKenzie
03/17/2010 03:20

Oh, and a suggestion for a future show: How about "alternate albums" and what they would have sounded like? All four Beatles almost put out very different versions of solo work.

John: Rock and Roll--the Phil Spector version
Paul: Off the Ground--he could have done a MUCH better album using all those bonus tracks, in my opinion
George: Somewhere in England
Ringo: Can't Fight Lightning/Stop and Smell The Roses

Just a thought. Also to mention Kicked Around No More, which I forgot in my list. Mmm!

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03/17/2010 06:34

Mitch C -- probably the reason they didn't discuss that song is that "Girls School" was actually the A-side here in the States; "Mull Of Kintyre" ended up on the B-side, unfortunately. That means that we in the States never, EVER get to hear that song in concert. :( It's a shame because it's an amazing song. Brings a tear to my eye even though I don't have a drop of Scottish blood in me, nor have I ever been there.

ANYway...I remember the guys in #24 were discussing a bubblegum group (forgot the name) who intentionally put an unplayable recording on the B-side to make sure the A-side got the attention. Well...that was kind of the same philosophy someone else used...put a lame song on the B-side to make it obvious which one was supposed to be the playing side. That lame song: "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye." Yeah, what a strategy: try to make a lame song, but put all kinds of hooks all over it with a catchy chorus that can be sung by the fans at sporting events.

Also...surprised they didn't mention Napoleon XIV (or, if you prefer, Jerry Samuels) and "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!" The B-side: the same track, but literally backwards. In fact, the label on the B-side was actually the same label as the A-side but printed in mirror-image.

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Blaine63
03/17/2010 10:11

How in the world could you guys leave out The Mess ("B" side to My Love)? It's still one of my favorite Paul songs of all time.

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03/17/2010 11:54

Hmmm....now that I think of it, where the heck was "Mull Of Kintyre" in the discussion?!

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Blaine63
03/17/2010 23:41

My single album White Album in order:

Side one-
Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
While my guitar gentle weeps
Glass onion
I will
Julia
Helter Skelter

Side 2-
Everybody’s got something to hide except for me and my monkey
Blackbird
Savoy truffle
I’m so tired
Don’t pass me by
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-Da
Yer Blues
*Wild Honey Pie (Bonus track: because it’s short and almost a surprise addition…sort of like “Her Majesty” on Abbey Road)

I really wanted Cry Baby Cry, Sexy Sadie and Revolution 1...but they didn't quite make the cut. Cry Baby Cry is one of my favorites...but I realize it's not a popular song and if I were their producer I would have choosen against it for practical reasons.

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03/21/2010 07:47

Hey gang,

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Take care.

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03/21/2010 17:16

Photos of the shirts are now available on our Facebook site.

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03/22/2010 06:45

What is your Facebook name Mitch? I searched for Fab Fourum but could not find it. It is BAB FOUR, BAB FOUR, BAB FOUR?

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03/22/2010 08:04

Hi David,

We are definitely there as Fab Fourum. We have over 250 fans. Don't know why you wouldn't find it!

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Sean Courtney
03/22/2010 09:50

David -- try this link:

http://www.facebook.com/?sk=2361831622#!/group.php?gid=298738395544

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03/23/2010 06:46

Thanks Sean, that did the trick!

Mitch, I guess I was searching in the people search engine instead of the "group" search engine.

I am there and ready to rock and roll.

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garry wilbur
03/23/2010 08:33

I couldn't get Beatlesongs on my radio last Friday night. Was there a problem?

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03/23/2010 08:50

Hi Garry,

Yes, WHPC was off the air because of an antenna problem. Check back this Friday for Rob's great show!!!

Mitch

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03/24/2010 07:54

Ok Mitch, splurge for a better antenna next time rather than the $1.00 one from Walmart...:)

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03/24/2010 09:39

a single disc "white album," for me, would look something like this:
1) Dear Prudence
2) Glass Onion
3) While My Guitar Gently Weeps
4) Happiness is a Warm Gun
5) I'm so Tired
6) Blackbird
7) Julia
8) Yer Blues
9) Everybody's Got Something to Hide...
10) Helter Skelter
11) Revolution 1
12) Savoy Truffle

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03/29/2010 20:16

Guys, I just downloaded the latest episode and it says Part 2, where is part 1? Funin' w/ the Fab

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03/30/2010 03:31

Hi David,

We're just funnin' with everyone because this week is April Fool's week. Part 1 will be up next week!

Mitch

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03/31/2010 13:34

Ha ha, Mitch...very funny. Should've guessed as much.

I enjoyed your Rutles discussion immensely. As far as their catalog goes, I've been able to identify which Rutles song parodies which Beatles song in almost every case, at least of the ones from the TV special.

Goose Step Mama = Some Other Guy
Number One = Twist and Shout
Baby Let Me Be = ?
Hold My Hand = All My Lovin'
Blue Suede Schubert = Roll Over Beethoven
I Must Be In Love = ?
With A Girl Like You = If I Fell
Between Us = ? (Something from AHDN)
Living In Hope = Don't Pass Me By
Ouch! = Help!
It's Looking Good = I'm Looking Through You
Doubleback Alley = Penny Lane
Good Times Roll = Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds
Nevertheless = Within You Without You
Love Life = All You Need Is Love
Piggy In The Middle = I Am The Walrus
Another Day = Martha My Dear
Cheese and Onions = A Day In The Life
Get Up and Go = Get Back
Let's Be Natural = Dear Prudence

So I think EMI didn't have too much trouble winning their suit, although I don't think the songs are so close that they'd ever be mistaken for the originals. Innes was robbed as far as that went.

Wonderful show! I love the Rutles.

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Blaine63
04/03/2010 13:41

I sort of understand the basis of the lawsuit...with the exception of #1/twist and shout. Lennon/McCartney didn't write that song!

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Blaine63
04/04/2010 03:34

Let's be natural...it could also have strains of Mother Nature's Son mixed in.

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Sean Courtney
04/04/2010 17:08

Lynn -- "I Must Be In Love" --> "A Hard Day's Night." And "Between Us" --> "And I Love Her." It's not obvious, but if you listen to them back-to-back, it's easy to see the similarities. Also, on a bootleg there's a rehearsal of "Between Us" that actually has a bridge that starts "A love like ours could never die."

"It's Looking Good" always sounded more like "Run For Your Life" to me, with the guitar riff borrowed from "I'm Looking Through You."

Also...can't believe I didn't notice this before...but a couple of years ago I was in Beatles Ensemble at the Old Town School of Folk Music here in Chicago, and during the term the focus was The Rutles. (Sadly, our performance was cancelled due to flooding.) We ran through "Blue Suede Schubert" and our instructor pointed out how the guitar riff in the intro is lifted straight out of "Helter Skelter." Wow...

And another thing...a friend of mine pointed this out to me years ago...the guitar solo in "Number One" is taken from Heart's "Crazy On You."

And for some more Rutles stuff:

"Major Happy's Up And Coming Once Upon A Good Time Band / Rendezvous" --> "Sgt. Pepper's.../With A Little Help From My Friends"
"Questionnaire" --> an amalgam of elements from various Beatles tunes, including "I Am The Walrus" and "The Fool On The Hill"
"We've Arrived! (And To Prove It We're Here)" --> "Back In The U.S.S.R." and, arguably, the fade-out of "Hey Jude" and part of "Revolution 9" [this is a track recorded in 1978]
"Lonely-Phobia" --> "Things We Said Today"
"Unfinished Words" --> nothing specific, but the guitar solo is very "If I Fell" [another one from '78]
"Hey Mister" --> possibly "I Me Mine," definitely some "Get Back" and the shout from "Helter Skelter"
"Easy Listening" --> sounds very "Don't Pass Me By" to me
"Now She's Left You" --> no one Beatles song, but there is part of the melody lifted directly from "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party"
"The Knicker Elastic King" --> "Getting Better" and possibly "Penny Lane"
"I Love You" --> "P.S. I Love You" [I believe this was a Neil solo tune that was given the Rutle treatment]
"Eine Kleine Middle-Klasse Musik" --> "Come Together" [another Innes solo tune]
"Joe Public" --> "Tomorrow Never Knows" [yet another Innes solo tune reworked for Rutles]
"Shangri-La" --> elements from "A Day In The Life," "Yellow Submarine," "For No One," "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds," "Hey Jude," "Magical Mystery Tour," "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!" and prossibly others. Also includes little bits of at least two other Neil Innes tunes -- "How Sweet To Be An Idiot" both performed by the strings in the beginning and sung by Neil during the fade-out, and "Slaves Of Freedom," also sung by Neil in the fade-out
"Don't Know Why" --> "Free As A Bird"
"Back In '64" --> "When I'm Sixty-Four"
"Lullaby" --> probably not intended to be a Beatles parody, but you could argue for "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" or even "Working Class Hero"
"My Little Ukulele" --> "Jailhouse Rock" [I know, not a Beatles song!] and arguably "Honey Pie"

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Sean Courtney
04/04/2010 17:14

Oh...and speaking of Rutles stuff...

I read a magazine called 2600, which is a hacking magazine. The editor, Emmanuel Goldstein [his real name is Eric Corley, but professionally he goes by the other name as a nod to a character in the book 1984] hosts a couple of radio shows -- one on WABI called Off The Hook (more of a panel discussion on technology issues), and another on WUSB called Off The Wall, in which he (usually alone) discusses current issues in the country and in the world. He ended a recent broadcast of Off The Wall by playing "Questionnaire." He was discussing something about gun control, so undoubtedly he played the song because of the lyric about the ease of buying a gun.

Also...some years ago Emmanuel made a documentary called Freedom Downtime, a movie about an imprisoned hacker named Kevin Mitnick [who now runs a network security consulting firm]. There's a montage of hacker conference video, and over that montage played "Easy Listening."

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Whitcomb
04/06/2010 18:59

My White Album:

Side 1

Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Mother Nature's Son
Happiness is a Warm Gun

Side 2

Helter Skelter
Blackbird
Julia
Long Long Long
Yer Blues
Sexy Sadie
Revolution (single version)

And while I'm at it:

My Capitol Albums, Volume 3

Yesterday...and Today
Revolver
Live at the Hollywood Bowl
Rarities

Bonus CD: "Capitol Ideas" -- Alternate takes/demos/live recordings from the entire catalog -- something EMI should have included on the remasters.



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04/15/2010 03:37

One thing I found VERY interesting when we interviewed Gary Wright is that he was supposed to play on Imagine. That was mindblowing. Don't know if it would have sounded different but I love Gary's playing and it would have been interesting to hear the results. Oh well.

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04/15/2010 17:22

The Gary Wright podcast was FANTASTIC! He was such a great interview from where I was sitting. He sounds like one helluva nice guy and WOW what a history he has to tell by playing with all the Beatles. I most certainly look forward to the next time he is on. You guys asked great questions as usual and Mitch you did a "fab" job as usual of moderating.

The Imagine factoid was rather mindblowing as well, I do agree. I had heard that he played on Harry Nielsson's song Without You from a Joey Molland interview that I listen to often that I enjoy, so that was old news to me but probably not to many.

Your podcast keeps getting better and better...or rather Getting Better all the time.

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Sean Courtney (POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT)
04/20/2010 11:04

Hey, guys....great show as usual!

Regarding the "epsteen" versus "epstine" pronunciation...I've ALWAYS heard it as "epstine," yet in the 50-page (!!!) intro Martin Lewis wrote for the reissue of A Cellarful Of Noise, he specifically said that it should be pronounced "epsteen." Huh???!! Then why did everybody - including Lennon - pronounce it "epstine"??

Also, just a clarification...I'm sure you four know this, but when you were discussing "answer" albums, Smile was mentioned. I think it should be pointed out that Smile would not have been an answer to Sgt. Pepper's at all -- in fact, Brian Wilson stopped working on it a month before Sgt. Pepper's was released, with the sessions for "Love To Say Da Da." (Which later evolved into "Cool, Cool Water" and was resurrected as "In Blue Hawaii" when Smile was finally finished.) The thing is...the Beach Boys were screwed either way. Had Smile been finished and released before Sgt. Pepper's, I really don't think it would have taken off. It would have sounded radically different from anything else The Beach Boys had done, so they would have probably alienated their existing fan base who were expecting more "formulaic" stuff. (Even Pet Sounds is close enough to the Beach Boys' sound to sound like typical Beach Boys stuff.) Had it been released even a DAY after Sgt. Pepper's, I feel it would have been unfairly dismissed as "The Beach Boys' attempt to do Sgt. Pepper."

So instead...they come out with Smiley Smile..."a bunt instead of a grand slam," as Carl Wilson put it. And they were screwed. Yeah, it sold some units, but it wasn't a hit...but man, it so wasn't what Smile could have been (but ended up being in 2004 -- effing BRILLIANT)...

Yeah, there were response albums -- Their Satanic Majesties' Request, Days of Future Passed, and arguably Odessey and Oracle, et al...but like you guys said, they don't hold a candle.

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Lynn McKenzie
04/30/2010 08:48

Hey all! Sorry I haven't dropped by in awhile.

Enjoying the FM radio retrospective, but it bothers me that you all seem to be very close to falling into a familiar trap among Beatles fans: That is, believing that "Penny Lane", "Strawberry Fields" and Sgt. Pepper (as well as the rest of the band's output) are somehow artistically BETTER or more significant than their early work. I even remember reading a music columnist on the reissues who stated that he wasn't planning to purchase anything prior to PEPPER. That makes me sad.

The Beatles were always a brilliant musical group, from "Love Me Do" onward. Yes, their post-1967 work is more musically complex and lyrically broader, but why does that make it superior? I've always felt that the energy level in their Beatlemania days is far higher than anything past REVOLVER, as well as the sheer joy and happiness present in each and every recording. Not to mention the fantastic rock of "I Want To Hold Your Hand", "I Feel Fine", "Day Tripper"...you get the idea. I'd put "She Loves You" up against "A Day In The Life" any day. They're almost apples and oranges. Why get snobbish and claim that their later work is somehow on a higher plane?

Personally, if I had to commit myself to my top five Beatles albums, I don't think PEPPER would even be on it. I've always felt that their greatest work, the one album which best merged their rock energy and musical innovation, is REVOLVER. RUBBER SOUL, the White Album, ABBEY ROAD and A HARD DAY'S NIGHT would round out the list nicely.

And Sean, to answer a (much earlier) Rutles comment, thanks for the insight! I think I had once come to the same conclusions about "Between Us" and "I Must Be In Love", but had forgotten. I do think "It's Looking Good" is much closer to "I'm Looking Through You", though...and note the "Looking" in both titles. :-)

Happy weekend, everyone!

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Whitcomb
05/03/2010 15:45

I'll generally endorse Lynn's post, though comparing "She Loves You" -- the signature song of Beatlemania, as far as I'm concerned -- to "A Day in the Life" does not compute for me.

I recently obtained the Mono set of remasters and have played the early albums multiple times. Not only do they sound great, they remain vibrant after all these years -- in particular "With the Beatles" and "A Hard Day's Night." The Mono Masters collection is excellent, too; "I'm Down," "Paperback Writer" and "Hey Jude" sound better to me in mono.

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Blaine63
05/10/2010 17:46

You guys are up to podcast #32! Wow! I remember when your a cute little podcast taking your first tentative steps! Now you guys actually have Ringo doing a few tag lines! From rags to riches.

Good Job!

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05/13/2010 10:40

Nice theme podcast, guys!

I always avoided the compliation albums, since I already owned all the songs on them. The exception was REEL MUSIC, because I'd heard about the different stereo mix of "I Should Have Known Better". Otherwise, I wouldn't have touched it with a ten-foot pole.

I did buy the Red and Blue albums; they were my first Beatles albums. What an excellent couple of GH albums they were! Better than 1, since they had all the hits (and then some).

Oh, and I did love RARITIES, both the British and American versions. You're right in saying that the former was a dress rehearsal for PAST MASTERS, although it was less than perfect in that most of its selections were mono, not stereo (the preferred mix at that time. Now things have changed a bit, heh heh.) I was hoping Apple would sneak a few of the American RARITIES onto MONO MASTERS, such as the "extra-beat" version of "I Am The Walrus" and the "trumpet-ending" take of "Penny Lane". Alas, 'twas not to be. Maybe Apple will someday do its own RARITIES, but I'm not holding my breath.

Thanks for the entertainment!

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Sean Courtney
05/14/2010 08:28

And just to add to what Lynn said...

I'm surprised I didn't hear this mentioned, and it was recently discussed on beatles-collectors, but...the UK version of Rarities, when it was sold in the US, apparently has a few very rare pressings that list the German-language songs but play the English versions. (Am I getting that right??)

And just for clarity...the liner notes on the first pressing of the American Rarities do indeed refer to "I got blisters on my fingers!" and a "classic Lennon statement." My copy -- which I got in 1990 in a radio contest (that gave away ten Beatles albums every day to a listener) -- simply says "classic statement."

Aaaaand....Reel Music...I think it gets a bad rap...then again, I might be saying that because it's the album that introduced me to "I Am The Walrus" back in 1987 when I was 13 years old and putting my toes in the Beatles waters. The inserts are fantastic. You get a unique non-standard Capitol label. You get the stereo version of "Ticket To Ride" and a "fixed" stereo "I Should Have Known Better." And you get yet ANOTHER variation of "I Am The Walrus" -- the two-note riff at the beginning iterates six times instead of four, and I believe that save for the Rarities "outfake," that's the first time in the US that we got the six-iteration version.

Finally...Love Songs. I don't have it, never heard it. Regarding the tampering with the cover picture, according to Bruce Spizer (although it might have just been his opinion), the reason Paul was moved to the forefront was that, as the leader of Wings, he was a massive seller for Capitol, so it was a way to use him to promote the album. BTW -- surprised this also wasn't mentioned in the podcast, but some songs on Love Songs were given the George Martin remix treatment as well. I think it's just the songs taken from Rubber Soul, and the remixes were an attempt to center the vocals.

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Sean Courtney
05/14/2010 09:17

Sorry to pelt with posts so close together, but forgot one thing...

At least one of you mentioned that it was odd that the notes on the Rarities album mentioned that "There's A Place" had never been in stereo. Note the wording: "...it is BELIEVED" [my capitals, not Capitol's capitals...uhhh??...yeah] that it wasn't released in stereo before. And you correctly mentioned that it was indeed in stereo on Introducing...The Beatles. That's the thing: Capitol probably doesn't want to acknowledge that shady Vee-Jay release, not even caring that it went to #2 on Billboard.

Capitol isn't too kind to less-than-legit releases. Case in point...a few years ago Capitol rererererererereissued The Beach Boys' Pet Sounds and included an alternate version of "Good Vibrations" as a bonus track, saying that it had never before been released on CD...well, not quite. That version did appear on a 1983 Beach Boys Rarities compilation that was quickly pulled out of circulation after the Beach Boys' lawyers stepped in. That same compilation WAS released on CD -- in Japan. But I'm guessing that since that album was the source of some trouble for Capitol, they don't want to acknowledge the Japanese CD...

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Whitcomb
06/02/2010 19:39

I've been catching up on the podcasts, so I hope you'll forgive a belated comment or two on the Decca audition show. One of you -- Mitch, maybe? -- noted that the Decca audition of Jan. 1, 1962, more than likely was done simply as a favor to Brian Epstein, a client of the company in that he ran a successful record store. That observation seems on target, but it was a small favor -- who in their right mind wants to audition on New Year's Day? I can't imagine that the Beatles or the recording engineers or anyone else who was actually there that day was pleased to be working. I believe it was George Harrison who said many years later that the Beatles had stayed out to 4 a.m. or so and were hung over.

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Whitcomb
06/02/2010 19:57

Decca, Part II:

All that aside, these recordings have great historical value and a couple of wonderful moments -- "Hello Little Girl," for example, sounds like a test run for the "Please Please Me" album (or "Meet the Beatles," depending on your preference). These Decca recordings should be released in total, but EMI missed the boat by not doing that in the Anthology series or in the new remasters. EMI seems to have a strange aversion to releasing obscure recordings, alternate versions, or out-takes, or whatever you want to call them. For example: You will find on the Internet John Lennon's sublime demo of "Bad to Me" -- a big hit for Billy J. Kramer -- but why can't we find that recording, and many others like it, on an EMI/Parlophone/Capitol release?

Cheers -- keep up the good work.

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06/04/2010 11:12

Loved your show on Beatles for Sale. It's my favorite Beatles album. Notice I didn't say the BEST, but it's my favorite. "No Reply", "I'm a Loser", "Baby's In Black" and "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" are four songs that I will never, ever tire of.

Some fascinating insights, although with the exception of "Mr. Moonlight", I think you were too hard on the covers. And even the thinnest songs, like "Every Little Thing" or "What You're Doing", have that air of melancholy mixed with Beatles energy that I love. BTW, I don't care what Paul said; "Thing" is at least half John. The verses, definitely.

Looking forward to next week!

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Sean Courtney
06/05/2010 17:33

Speaking of covers....I do have to disagree about "Leave My Kitten Alone" being pretty far removed from the original. Some years ago somebody put together a CD compilation called The Songs They Were Singing, which has original versions of every single song the Beatles were ever known to cover, including those quick three-second performances from the Get Back sessions. The compilation has not one but two versions of "Leave My Kitten Alone," and both actually sound pretty close to what the Beatles did. Thankfully, the Beatles had enough taste to not include those annoying "mee-ow" background vocals...yoiks! Also, there's an additional verse that the Beatles didn't do.

FWIW, even if it were not too resemblant of a prior version, I doubt that'd warrant a nonrelease -- just look at how Elvis remade Big Mama Thornton's "Hound Dog."

Loved the references to The Beach Boys' version of "Rock And Roll Music," a rather plodding version with an annoying Mike Love vocal. That's from the 15 Big Ones album of late 1976, their first studio album since January 1973's Holland. Now...I wasn't even two years old when 15 Big Ones came out, so I didn't hear this first hand, but apparently Terri Hemmert, a longtime WXRT personality and emcee at the Chicago Beatlefest, had this to say about 15 Big Ones, looking forward to it after hearing the artistically progressive Holland: "I waited four years for THIS crap?" But yeah, find me a version better than The Beatles'. Ain't gonna happen!

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Shaaron
06/20/2010 14:06

Hi Fab Foursome,
I love your show! I sometimes end up rewinding a lot and jotting down notes on things to run and listen to.
My comment is on the monos. i am one of those 1st generation fans, went to the Hollywood Bowl and all. One thing that needs to be kept in mind for us was the fantastic transistor radios we all carried around. I was in San Diego listening to KGB top 40 AM radio station. This was how we heard each new release. Well, until I started being at the record store day of release for everything! When I ran home to play my new vinyl I put it on to a little record player I had. It wasn't until 1966 that I got a portable stereo player.
As an aside, I had ben playing records all of my life, starting at age 3. Two older brothers were bringing in new songs daily, Big Bopper, Little Richard, Everly Brothers, Chuck Berry and so much more. So I totally dug the Beatles covers and influences.
Thanks for reading my ramblings. An idea for a show would be on on songs written for or about specific people in their lives.

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06/21/2010 20:01

And the 5th Beatle is: George Martin

What a great show!

Congrats, belated to Rachel!

My favorite Pre-Sgt. Pepper album would also have to be Revolver.

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Phillip Hornbeak
06/24/2010 06:29

One Great show after another-Thank You!!
The Fifth BEATLE is?????
IT'S A TIE- Pete, George Martin, Brian
Stu, Billy Preston and
Even YOKO
Best album before Sgt Pepper- In America
it is Beatle VI- Pure unadultrated
Rock and Roll-The Fabs at what they do
the best.


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06/30/2010 19:19

And now for something completely different...

A few more Greatest Hits collections by John? FINALLY! Yahoo!!!

But seriously, isn't Lennon in the Guniess Book of World records for the most Greatest Hits packages issued ever?

The diamond in the rough for sure is Double Fantasy stripped down, I guess it will be Acoustic Volume II. The signature boxset sounds good to me for the rarities disc but I am sure the price will be "sky high" and something out of most of us "working class peoples" budgets.

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garydobbs
02/10/2013 18:12

It's always pissed me off that we are forced to listen to yoko on John's albums- I can't stand that woman.

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06/30/2010 19:21

If my post above makes no sense, then read this:
http://www.beatles.com/#/news/John_Lennon_Gimme_Some_Truth/

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Blaine63
07/20/2010 14:00

Not delving too much into the debate around what a driving song is and what a driving song isn't...I only have one that I would imagine would be uncontestable: Get Back.

Of course I think there are others...but that one has the feel of moving...without even being in a car.

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Rachel !
08/11/2010 10:39

Hey All!

RE: Cover Bands

I COMPLETELY agree about the costumes thing. I hate it. What I hate even more? The fake ACCENTS and over-use of 60's slang. GUH! I want to put my hand over their mouths and say, "We know you're not them!" It's extremely annoying.

I saw a Beatles cover band at a bar in Athens, OH during this year's annual Brew Week, and they just played the songs. No costumes, no accents, no banter: just Beatles music. And let me tell you, they were, perhaps, THE BEST cover band I've ever seen. Plus, they played songs like "What's the New Mary Jane?," which I didn't even hear played at Abbey Road on the River.

While I was enjoying my trip to Abbey Road on the River (thanks to Fab Fourum!!!!) I saw a GREAT Beatles Cover/Tribute Band called The Beat! who were from Germany. They were a young group full of energy who threw in a few other pop songs from the 60's in between their Beatles tunes. They focused mostly on the early stuff, and they reminded me of what I imagine the Beatles sounded like during their 2nd Germany trip. If they play at AROTR in D.C., you guys should check them out!

All My Listen'

Rachel

P.S. I saw that replica Lennon "Rubber Soul" jacket at AROTR in Louisville, and I must say, it was quite lovely!

P.P.S. I had a thought about the comment made during the previous episode's discussion on Early VS Late Beatles. Someone said that he noticed a lot of people will say their favorite period in the band's career is the mid-60's era, but that the late records always sell better. I've noticed the same, and perhaps this is true because of the following points:

1. The mid-career Beatles were still touring, and still playing their roles for the press and the fans. Despite what may have been happening behind the scenes, at this point, they still maintain their bubbly mop-top images. They're just as fun to watch as they are to listen to! Plus, we, the audience, get the visual to reinforce the audio - a powerful combination. I can't remember the statistic exactly, but studies have shown that people are more likely to respond favorably to a message they hear if there's a visual component to back it up. During this era, we certainly get that.

2. After the touring of the mid-60's ended, they focused on the music and hit their creative strides. The music benefits from all this creative energy and focus it receives, and it shows on the records. We don't see them as much on camera as we did a few years prior, so we latch onto the pure substance of what we hear.

Thus explaining why the later albums sell better despite the public's infatuation with the mid-career years.

Ok, now I'm really done.

- Rachel

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Whitcomb
08/15/2010 11:38

Just learned a couple days ago that EMI has remastered and will reissue the "Red" and "Blue" double-album greatest hits collections from 1973.

I'm sure they will sound great, but who will buy them? Especially if you've just shelled out hundreds of dollars for the remastered box sets. Or is EMI thinking that these greatest hits collections will be an affordable alternative to the box sets?

And does anyone know -- have sales of the remastered albums been disappointing or about what EMI expected?

To me, EMI could boost sales of "Red" and "Blue" by including bonus tracks of demos and alternate takes of the songs featured. Of course that is wishful thinking on my part.


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08/16/2010 11:19

Hi gang,

In the tribute band episode, I erroneously stated that Joey Curatolo of Rain was in Beatlemania The Movie. Although Joey was on Broadway in Beatlemania, it was actually Mitch Weissman who played Paul in the movie. Ralph Castelli of Rain portrayed Ringo in the film. I apologize for the error.

As always, thanks for listening.

Mitch

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Rachel
08/19/2010 12:16

Hey Guys,

I think Mitch (Mitch?) hit on a great show topic in your latest episode: is it fair to call Paul's 70's work "Paul's solo work," or should it be referred to as "Wings?"

I think it should be referred to Wings. Yes, we get albums released as "Paul McCartney and Wings" and just "Wings," but that doesn't necessarily make it "solo" work, yes? I mean, Wings was never a solo act.

Anybody else?

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joe
08/19/2010 14:25

Is the current episode, 45, run time of 47:54, correct?
It seems to end rather abruptly.

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08/19/2010 16:55

Joe,

The episode is just about an hour. Haven't heard about any difficulties. I would try again. Thanks for listening.

Mitch

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Chris
08/20/2010 07:34

Mine ended abruptly at 47:54 (snif). I'll check the itunes site.

Wings is A beatle's solo effort imho,

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joe
08/20/2010 10:17

weird, on itunes it clearly lists the time as 57:41 but every time I download it, it's 47:54 again?

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Chris
08/20/2010 11:26

Maybe someone mentioned something taboo and it was cut off! Being 100% straight with us and all, you know.

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steve
08/28/2010 09:03

hi guys
i found your show totally by accident and have listened to 40 of the shows already in the past couple of weeks.

I wasn't sure what to expect before listening but i was pleasantly surprised and very entertained, not least by the banter between you guys.

Okay I'll make a suggestion and I'm sorry if its an obvious one, but I feel it's not really been done in specific terms, that being an album by album critique.

You did it with Beatles For Sale which was excellent, you touched on the single disc White album, and the Abbey road segment early on.

As a big Beatles fan I would love to hear everybody's in depth opinions of the other albums. I also feel that they have to be over a whole show like the Beatles For Sale was.

Oh and just to comment about your discussion about the relevance of The Beatles music and their place in the future. My honest opinion is that the canon of work has a quality that speaks for itself, and the fact that young kids are now turned on to it by the rock band game is proof positive, talent will out, and quality will prevail for sure.

I think there is only one other group that can compare with The Beatles in this kind of quality and body of work, and that's Queen, my other favorite band. Which brings me to another show suggestion.

If we look at music evolution,from The Beatles onward, most quality music, in my opinion has been influenced by them to some degree. All of Queen's members have stated in interviews that they themselves were massive Beatles fans, and I doubt that they would have sounded like Queen without evolving from The Beatles universe, granted you had the Beach Boys, but they could never rock like the Beatles or Queen, or display the same scope of light and shade in the material.

I've also watched interviews with Paul McCartney praising Queen. And I'm not sure whether I'm imagining this one or not, but shortly after John Lennon died, it was rumored that he'd heard Crazy Little Thing Called Love and it had been a bit of an inspiration in getting back in the studio for Double Fantasy and Starting Over (I've also heard the remark about Roy Orbison and this song).

There's certainly an inerrant quality that runs through the work of these successors, and it's worrying to think about where we might have ended up had The Beatles not came into being. Where would popular music have gone?

Another note on this point, and this will definitely prove my point about The Beatles injecting quality into the music scene even after there demise.

In Britain in the 70's we had a band called Slade, they weren't as big in the States but here they were massive. Now when John Lennon heard Noddy Holder singing he said "he sounds like me", he went on to say they were a favorite of his, and rightly so because if you listen to the work of Slade, who are for the most part just remembered for Merry Christmas Everybody, there is a songwriting standard in their whole catalogue that made them the biggest band of the 70's in Britain, and its no throwaway gesture when John Lennon said that about them.

Slade in turn, particularly the songwriting partnership of Holder /Lea, the Lennon and McCartney of the 70's in my opinion, always stated The Beatles as an overriding influence.

In fact I recently heard the Slade versions of Getting Better and Martha My Dear from the Live At the BBC album, and they're excellent.

Towards the end of the 70's The Police (another of my faves) became the biggest band in the world. Sting has admitted The Beatles were the band who turned him onto music, and you can certainly hear that quality in a lot of Stings best work.

Cheap Trick too, who themselves played with John Lennon, are worthy of a mention.

And i don't know whether this is stretching it a bit, but back when The Beatles went to Decca and we had the famous quote regarding guitar bands being on the way out, well maybe they were, maybe they only continued because the Beatles were successful, maybe big bands and god knows what would have ruled for the next ten years of more.

But fast forward to the Punk movement, which was essentially guys getting back to basic rock'n'roll, three chords and a lot of attitude. That whole movement would never have seen the light of day, if the Beatles hadn't had success with the Please Please Me album and single. We might have had a big band revival or something, who knows.

But in a nutshell its frightening to think how music would have evolved but for the Beatles.

No Beatles = No...Wings...no Rolling Stones...no Queen...no Slade...no Police...no Cheap Trick..no U2.. the list could go on and on.

Anyway guys I'm currently in Shanghai, China, it's 3 o'clock in the morning I've been rambling, so big apologies, I'm signing off.

Oh by the way I'm 44 so didn't experience The Beatles from the beginning but I've

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steve contd
08/28/2010 09:07

Oh by the way I'm 44 so didn't experience The Beatles from the beginning but I've rode on the tidal wave of their music and everything they've influenced ever since, hope Paul and Ringo continue to give us new material for many years to come.

I look forward to the next show

keep up the good work

steve

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steve
08/29/2010 04:36

hi guys

back again for a quick comment on the last wings back to the egg podcast, it does indeed stop at 47.54 on itunes as stated by joe and chris, and on poderama it won't even download.

steve

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Whitcomb
09/01/2010 05:19

Re Sessions discussion, one of you gents noted that there are about 400 hours of rehearsal tapes in the EMI vaults. If that is indeed the case, there would seem to be plenty of material for an album of outtakes and alternate versions of songs.

Sitting down and listening to that material would be a mammoth undertaking, to be sure; it might be tedious to listen to the 47th take of "Baby's In Black," for example. But surely there are Beatle experts willing to do that. Then they could identify the tracks that might be suitable for commercial release, with the final say going to Paul, Ringo, Yoko and Olivia.

What's not to like about that?

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Sean Courtney
09/01/2010 05:51

Seriously, Fab Fourum hosts, you're really ruining my life -- by churning out some HUGELY ADDICTING PODCASTS!! And the Sessions episode clocking in at such a long time -- wow! (Makes me hope you'll spend a show talking about Unsurpassed Masters!) Going a week between podcasts is like quitting smoking cold turkey (then again, I've never smoked...)...

Regarding Beatles cover/tribute bands...okay, the Rain you guys were talking about must be different from the Rain my wife and I (tried to) watch(ed) on PBS recently...it started out mediocre, and got progressively worse...and for God's sake, if you're going to dress like the moptop-era Beatles, first make sure you're, uhh...NOT OLD! Sorry, but a 1964 Paul did NOT have crow's feet!

Been to enough Beatlefests to come up with some general suggestions:
- I agree that if you're going to do the whole moptop hair, Beatle boots, collarless suits thing -- PAUL MUST BE LEFT-HANDED.
- LOSE. THE. FAKE. ACCENTS. Hate to break it to you (okay, that's a lie, I don't hate it at all...), but...YOU DO NOT SOUND LIKE THE BEATLES, and YOU'RE NOT WITTY! Just SHUT UP AND PLAY! And sing WITHOUT FAKE ACCENTS! It boggles the mind how many Beatles look-alike/"sound"-alike bands I've seen who actually SING with fake accents. That was one of the weird things about the Beatles that people observed: they spoke with British accents but sung with American accents.

As for some other observations I made:
- Sometimes the best Beatles tribute bands are the ones who make no attempt to look or sound like The Beatles but just like to sing their songs. Best version of "Norwegian Wood" I've heard (outside of Rubber Soul) was by two guys called "Rubber Soul" who used to sing at a local Barnes & Noble.

- At Beatlefest in Rosemont (or Chicago if you don't know your geography!) a few years ago there was a Puerto Rican band called Jukebox who two years in a row won the Battle. Seriously, they were absolutely amazing. Made no attempt to look like The Beatles, but they lived up to their name: late one night during the Fest they set up in one of the corridors and played for HOURS, and if you asked for a song, THEY WOULD PLAY IT -- PERFECTLY, including going into deep stuff like the Decca audition and BBC stuff.

- Okay, I'm a fairly young fan -- 35 years old, so I never saw Beatlemania (stage OR movie). I did hear the soundtrack, though, and I remember thinking, "Man, this SUCKS! These guys are AWFUL!" But I'm hearing the Fab Fourum guys sing the praises of Beatlemania. For those of us too young to have seen it, can you go into some details?? What was great about it?? Was it anything like Love? (which I've seen twice and hope to see a couple dozen more times) And is the movie at least a somewhat accurate representation of what the stage show had?

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09/07/2010 02:50

Hey guys! Just wanted to say again how much I enjoyed meeting the four of you (at Abbey Road on the River last weekend, for those listening in) and how much fun I had at the con. Hope you all had fun, too. You looked as if you were.

Some more ideas for future shows:

--Mike McCartney, aka Mike McGear: His musical career with the Scaffold, Roger McGough, GRIMMS and solo. Emphasis, natch, on his awesome *McGear album (produced with lots of musical help from Brother Paul & Wings).

--Yoko Ono's musical career. UNLESS YOU ALL HATE HER, in which case give that a pass. But it would be nice to hear some intelligent discussion of her work, without a lot of hate towards her personally. This doesn't mean you have to love all her material.

--I agree with Steve; more discussions of individual albums, both group and solo. There are plenty out there. And I'll say again that "alternate" albums would be cool--like GET BACK, SOMEWHERE IN ENGLAND, ROCK AND ROLL, OFF THE GROUND, etc.

--Songs that mention the Fab Four, perhaps? Such as "Never Been To Spain" by Three Dog Night, or "All Summer Long" by Johnny Rivers. You get the idea. Although that might not take up an entire show.

That's all I can dream up at the moment, but I'll keep working on. Looking forward to future shows! Thumbs up!

Lynn

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Ken Michaels
09/07/2010 05:49

Hey Lynn,

It was a nice surprise to see you at Abbey Road On The River. Thanks for attending the panel discussions, and for participating with our lightning round question.

Your ideas all sound good. We will definitely be examining individual albums (group and solo)on future shows. We've talked about the alternate albums idea, and we'll hopefully get to those too. We consider all the suggestions we get from our listeners.

The songs that reference the Beatles is something I'd like to do. By the way, the Johnny Rivers song is called "Summer Rain" (great song!)

Thanks again for being there, and for your support of our show.

Ken Michaels
Fab Fourum

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Chris
09/09/2010 08:38

I agree that "Paul" needs to be able to play left handed. If he can't, then he'd better learn; or it's Best that he be replaced.

Keep up the great show, guys. Loving the expanded episodes!

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johnny
09/09/2010 19:40

Just watched the VH1 special 100 Greatest Artists and The Beatles came in at #1 of course.
During the montage of their career, when they get to the Let It Be clips, they were using A LOT of out-takes from the film some I had never seen before! And with amazing picture quality unlike the bootlegs on youtube. They must have gotten these clips from Apple so does that mean a Let It Be DVD might be coming??? VH1 is playing this show on an endless loop so check it out.

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Esmirelda
09/18/2010 10:29

Hi guys I love the podcasts. Here's a possible future interview for your show. I got this info from WhatGoesOn.com:

Beatles Expert and Author is Scheduling Interviews for Lennon’s 70th Birthday
Beatles expert and author, Jude Southerland Kessler is giving of her time and knowledge to celebrate John Lennon’s birthday.


To schedule and interview with Jude, email: rjkess@comcast.net or phone: 610-400-7113

For more information on Jude Kessler and her books, go to:
http://www.OnTheRockBooks.com

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Esmirelda
09/18/2010 12:49

Hi guys.
I just got done listening to the 2 part 'Parodies' episode. Here are some more funny Beatle thingys.
Also, another topic suggestion could be The Beatles and The Simpsons.
+++++

"Weird Al" Yankovic - The Paul McCartney Interview
(There's also one with George.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqP1FEpoBG8


STEVIE RIKS as Paul McCartney Making A Cup Of Tea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0FG3uqaUw4

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Chris
09/29/2010 08:22

Hey Guys, thanks for another great ep. Personally I'm shocked (and stunned), but those freaks are pleased you addressed PID.

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10/01/2010 05:36

Hey guys,

Good episode on Beatle Boys Bickering. I always thought almost every song on Side One of RAM was a dig at the other three in one way or another. "Uncle Albert" had "We're so sorry if we caused you any pain...", for example, although I always wondered if Paul got the idea for that song from MARY POPPINS. There's an Uncle Albert in that film who's quite sad. :-) Also, "Smile Away", with the three "friends" that Paul meets really seems like his comment on the whole lawsuit situation. I had heard that "Dear Boy" was about Linda's ex, though, so that kills that idea, perhaps.

I still love "How Do You Sleep?" just for the brilliant performance and production that it is. More so than "Gimme Some Truth", which is kind of preachy, in its own way. As Pilate said, "What is truth?" As far as tributes, I can't remember if you mentioned "When We Was Fab" or "Never Without You", both of which are good ones. I really wonder if Paul was thinking of George when he recorded "Riding to Jaipur"; it's a very George arrangement. I'd like to think he played that track for George when he visited him in the hospital.

A related sidestory: My children's fourth-grade teacher had a son who was a doctor at Staten Island University Hospital, where George received treatment in New York before he died. (Not Dr. Lederman, I assure you.) She told me several weeks before George died that his condition was serious and that he wasn't expected to live, but that her son had been part of the team of doctors treating him. She also told me that George had expressed an interest in Judaism when he saw her son's kippah (yarmueke), and had asked him several questions about his faith. How like George. My daughter had told her teacher that I was a Beatles fan, which is why she told me this information. Needless to say, I didn't tell anyone else until after George had passed away.

Anyway, I've digressed. Marvelous podcast. Looking forward to more!

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Esmirelda
10/08/2010 11:18

I thought you might like to see Julian on the CBS show "Sunday Morning." Here's a link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6923331n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

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Mitch
10/08/2010 20:08

Really enjoyed Beatle Boys Bickering. I was hoping you'd discuss "Isn't It A Pity" because I see that as George's thoughts about Paul. While it is worded in a general way about "people," it does seem to fit George's criticism of Paul as self-absorbed. The fact that the main body resolves into a "Hey Jude" style refrain nails it for me. One of my favorite tracks from ATMP. An achingly beautiful song.

I also have a comment about your dismissal of some of John's comments as paranoid. While some of that may be true, I think you may be overlooking the fact that these men often communicated with each other on a musical level. A language that only the four spoke. I believe that's one reason why none of them could recreate the magic with any other group of musicians. I think the boys were very capable of sending musical jabs, or greetings, to each other that only the other three could interpret. A raised eyebrow between a pair of close friends can have different meanings depending on the context, and only that pair can interpret it.

Just my thoughts. I enjoy every podcast, and look forward to the next. I've recommended you to all my Beatle friends.

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Mitch
10/08/2010 20:14

Just had an idea for a show, but it's a little late. I'd like to hear a discussion of John Lennon tribute songs. There were quite a few, and I'm sure I missed a few.

Happy Birthday John!

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Jack
10/12/2010 10:25

Just listened to the All Starr show. Loved it BUT....
WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT THE NEW LENNON REMASTERS!?
New Apple releases?
Hello?

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Esmirelda
10/12/2010 14:25

Hi.
I just finished listening to the All Starr Dream Team Band episode. I put together a team of five. (Please note that I tried not to use any of your wonderful All Starr suggestions.)
Bass player: Rob Grill of The Grass Roots
Two Lead Guitarists: Pete Haycock of The Climax Blues Band and Mark Knopfler
Keyboard: Christine McVie (or Joe Jackson)
Guest non-singing drummer: Gina Schlock of The Go-Gos
:)

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10/12/2010 14:35

Jack,

We fully intend to discuss the Lennon remasters AND the Apple remasters but unfortunately, we did not receive all of the Lennon material to review. We WILL review most of the material in the coming weeks when we have had time to really give the tracks a good listen.

Mitch

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jack
10/13/2010 22:57

Mitch,
Understood, I'm not through all the cds yet, I shouldn't expect you guys to be either.
So far Walls and Bridges is blowing me away!
Love the show...

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10/14/2010 07:49

Jack,

Walls and Bridges is my personal favorite Lennon solo CD. It was also his most "produced" CD of his solo catalog so it doesn't surprise me that it would sound great. My problem with the whole remastered catalog is this:

I know Yoko had these remastered using John's original mixes but are they essential especially when she just remastered everything using HER mixes a few years ago. AND the bonus tracks from the last remasters are no longer on the new remasters. Very confusing and I'm not sure which of the remasters is absolutely necessary. Maybe HER mixes were not necessary and she should have stuck to John's vision although I think that sonically, the last batch of remasters were superior.

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John Botch
10/15/2010 10:05

During this time we all looked back and remembered Johnny Lennon, why no discussion about him on the podcast?

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10/15/2010 10:37

John,

We will DEFINITELY be talking about John, starting Monday. We just moderated a panel discussion at the Paley Center in NY at a screening of the PBS documentary LennoNYC which will premiere on November 22. During that evening we had tehe pleasure of interviewing the great Dick Cavett and Monday's episode will be that interview about John's appearances on his show.

We also need a bit of time to go through and listen to all of the Lennon remasters. It takes time but we will also be recording shows about THEM. We also have interviews lined up with Lennon related guests.

There will be plenty of Lennon up until, and after, the 30th anniversary of his death in December so there is plenty of time to talk about him, and we definitely will.

Thanks!

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John Botch
10/18/2010 10:43

Thank you for your reply. I look forward to coming agenda. I sounds well thought-out.

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11/08/2010 11:21

Gentlemen,

I am enjoying your podcasts and am working mostly backwards and am about seven episodes into this deck of 53, is it? Well done. Some great topics. Some good humour. And most importantly, a nice reminder that when I fear my obsession with the Beatles runs to the absurd sometimes, I have the four of you to look to for crossing what I refer to as "The Star Trek Line."

I especially enjoyed your interview with Dick Cavett who strikes me as a massively intelligent and humorous man. Far too intelligent for mainstream television! I thought the interview with Ken Sharp was quite fascinating too. The episode on the Beatles Cartoon Series baffled me because there seemed to be incredulity at the fact that the Beatles hated the series. All that talk about finding Scouse accents hard to understand made me laugh given your fellows' accents!

While I enjoyed most of the episode about "Beatle Boys Bickering" I did think some of you went too far with your "analysis" of Beatles and solo songs. "Let Me Roll It" as Paul has noted, is about rolling a joint. "I wanna tell you that you're going to be mine?" Good grief, guys! It's not about John!

Despite my slight criticisms (and let's face it, criticism is easy) I take great pleasure listening to your broadcasts (as podcasts). It's a joyful part of my day to think of Things Beatle and listen to the four of you ramble away . . .

I shall wind my way through your various topics before suggesting anything substantive. Keep up the excellent effort, thanks for all of your time, knowledge, and above all commitment to such an endeavour.

Cheers,

Michael Bain

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11/09/2010 02:03

Hi Michael,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to write. We do appreciate the criticism because we can all use a little "step back and reflect" moment when doing these shows which is not always easy, but always enjoyable and we are glad you are enjoying them which is our goal. As for Let Me Roll It, while it definitely could be about Paul's favorite hobby, he has always said it was his nod to John. Even recent interviews about BOTR remasters, he has stated it.

We always accept and respect our listeners opinions so please keep them coming. We've even got our own reality check with the addition of the new Curmudgeon's Corner page on our site under the Blog tab. Whenever we get a bit big headed, we can always count on Al to knock us down a peg!

Thanks again and please spread the word if you enjoy the show!

Have a great day.

Mitch

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11/09/2010 03:04

Mitch,

Thanks for the thanks! Don't let a single snippet of criticism stop you guys. You guys are doing the broadcast. None of the critics are!

Paul has these snippets he uses over and over in interviews. His "nod to John" line, I've always taken as his way of diffusing constant comparisons of "Let Me Roll It" to sounding like a John song. Such comparisons tend to come from people who can't hear the extraordinary breadth of McCartney's sound. Even if it is a "nod to John" I think Paul means musically. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that doesn't mean Paul wants to make John his, or that John has given Paul loving in the palm of his hand.

I had a look at Curmudgeon's Corner. Al was awfully kind there, wasn't he?

I don't use emoticons, by the way, but if I did there would be one here ---->

It would most likely be winking.

Cheers,

Michael

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11/14/2010 19:53

Hey guys,

Another fascinating show about Nowhere Boy. I saw this a year ago in Australia and so it is kind of interesting to hear again about this "new" film.

I thought it was an excellent film that captured an era, a city, and its people really well. I thought the writing and acting were excellent and since it is a drama based on reality, I was fine with a bit of tightening of the time line and speculation about happenings.

So they didn't get everything 100% accurate. It was certainly more accurate than, say, Backbeat.

I liked the treatment of when Paul and John met, although it's always been a mystery to me as to whether Paul brought his left handed guitar or played someone else's upside down. Perhaps we will never know.

I had to shake my head at the suggestion that Paul was the "upper class" or "better bred" of John and Paul. A quick tour of Liverpool and the Beatle houses will tell you that Paul, George and Ringo came from incredibly humble beginnings compared to John. So the idea of Paul scraping together enough money to buy shiny pointed shoes AND a guitar (I know, he traded in his trumpet) says more about his upward mobility and ambition than it does about his class or his breeding.

The class system is entrenched in UK culture in a way that is difficult for North Americans to comprehend. It's not about money per se. It's about where you are from. When Lennon later painted an image of himself as a "working class hero" he was stretching the truth in one sense: in Liverpool he was positively middle class. In another sense (UK wide) because of his scouse accent alone he would be deemed to be working class by people in Southern England particularly in the 1960s.

But as between the four Beatles, John had a positively posh upbringing. The other three had it very rough indeed.

Thanks again for another fascinating show!

Michael

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Whitcomb
11/17/2010 03:31

I see that a 41-minute remastered version of the Beatles' first U.S. concert is part of the unveiling of the group on iTunes.....for those of us not into iPods, do you think there's a chance EMI would release this concert on CD/DVD? It could be packaged with Live at the Hollywood Bowl, which has never been released on CD and, mysteriously, seems to have been dropped as part of the official catalog.

Of course, the lack of a first-rate album chronicling the Beatles' entire touring years remains a major complaint with me.

Do you plan a show on the Beatles and iTunes?





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11/17/2010 15:18

Hi Whitcomb,

As a matter of fact, we are recording that very show tomorrow morning!!! I really hope an official DVD release of teh Washington show comes out soon. The show looks great and is complete! I think it's good and bad that it's included in the box set. Good because it sees the light of day and bad because they are trying to give incentive for us to spend another $150 when most of us already have the CD's. Sheesh!

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11/18/2010 17:29

Hey there....wanted to comment on the Rubber Soul podcast....

- In addition to the litany of the versions of Rubber Soul we have (many of them, of course, exaggerated), you missed at least two REAL ones, both U.S. variations. Some East Coast pressings of Rubber Soul had slight reverb throughout. Also, let's not forget The Capitol Albums Vol. 2. Remember how it was found out that the first issue accidentally didn't include the true mono mix of Help! and Rubber Soul? But I guess what happened was that the CDs were accidentally mastered with test fold-down mixes of the stereo versions. The biggest give-away was that "I'm Looking Through You" in mono had the two false starts. Wow, did all the anger go flying, especially on the beatles-collectors list! (Mitch -- you remember that mess, right?!) Some fans were convinced it was Apple/Capitol/whoever intentionally creating a collector's item. To get the corrected version, you had to either call a number or send an e-mail and provide your mailing address. You would then be sent a postage-paid envelope, and you'd drop the two incorrect discs in the mail and you'd be sent the corrected ones; I seem to remember when I sent mine back I got the replacements pretty quickly. Well, one member of beatles-collectors, not wanting to sacrifice a potential collector's item but still wanting the correct mixes on CD, actually went so far as to take two CD-Rs, paste scanned images of the faulty CDs onto the CD-Rs, and mailed them to Capitol -- and THEY FELL FOR IT! He got the corrected discs without even sending the bad ones!

So basically we have these mixes: mono, 1965 UK stereo, US stereo with reverb, US stereo without reverb, 1987 U.K. stereo, and the 2004 accidental fold-down US mono.

- In addition to those mixes, apparently the Rubber Soul tracks included on Love Songs were remixed in an attempt to center the vocals. So there are yet even MORE mixes of some songs.

- Here in Chicago there's a place called The Old Town School of Folk Music. It's a really cool non-profit place where you can take music classes for surprisingly cheap, and the programs and staff there are freakin' amazing. (Roger McGuinn, btw, learned to play the 12-string there.) They have a class called "Beatles Ensemble." Imagine the Beatlefest jam sessions but arranged in an eight-week program that you pay tuition for. I was in this a couple of times. The first time I took it was during a time when they were covering the Beatles' US releases, and they were on Rubber Soul when I joined. The instructor, Steve Leavitt, is a big fan -- and so particular that when the ensemble did the Magical Mystery Tour album, they even performed "Death Cab For Cutie!" But Steve had us perform the two false starts in "I'm Looking Through You." And he pointed out something interesting that I hadn't heard anybody mention before or since: "The Word" and "Michelle" are placed back-to-back for a reason. Listen to the chord pattern in the fade-out of "The Word." Then, listen to the chord pattern at the beginning of "Michelle." They're the EXACT SAME PATTERN, just in different keys. Wow! The Beatles were just amazing.

- And of course, what discussion of Rubber Soul is complete without the mention of Brian Wilson? It just blows my mind that he was inspired to do such an amazing album after hearing, I ASSUME, the U.S. version. I can't even begin to imagine what Pet Sounds would have been like had Brian heard the UK version with "Nowhere Man."

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11/19/2010 09:05

Hello hello, guys! Some nice shows lately. I really enjoyed Ken Sharp's; it inspired me to read his book. Excellent, in-depth look at Double Fantasy.

I'm inspired to write this time, though, by your Rubber Soul podcast. Such a marvelous album. Lennon has some of his best work on there--at least four standards (Norwegian Wood, Nowhere Man, Girl and In My Life). It was really his record, in my opinion. George has his first great composition with "If I Needed Someone", which looks back to "You Like Me Too Much" lyrically but is a lot better musically. Paul has "Michelle" and the uncommonly bitter (for him) "I'm Looking Through You". Between that and "You Won't See Me", I think he and Jane were having some issues.

Although I'm an American and first heard the US version, I have to vote in favor of the UK album. Three reasons:

1. It's the way the band wanted it. Hey, that counts for a lot.

2. The title is RUBBER SOUL...and what kind of song is "Drive My Car", after all? Some of the best R&B the Fabs ever did. And funny. I always imagine Paul's hands squeezing a certain part of a young lady's anatomy on the "Beep beep" chorus. ;-)

Apart from that, the record's much more diverse in the UK version. I don't think the group meant to make a "folk-rock" record. I mean, look at the initial takes of "I'm Looking Through You" and "Norwegian Wood", after all.

3. The album's really hurt by the loss of "Nowhere Man" and "If I Needed Someone". Two of their best songs from 1965, axed. Capitol was ruthless.

(Not to mention the sound quality is MUCH better on the UK album. I really heard the bass on "The Word" for the first time when I bought the British vinyl All Those Years Ago. The mono mix is the way to go, sad to say...sad because the stereo should have been so much better. I don't like the Songtrack mix, though. Too much compression. Ugh.)

Oh, a story about "Norwegian Wood" that may interest you. I read a novel published in the Seventies or so by the SF writer Spider Robinson in which he had a character discuss that song. According to him, it's a disguised pun. "Isn't it good/Knowing she would?" In other words, they didn't actually have sex, which kind of fits the line about "I told her I didn't and crawled off to sleep in the bath". Quite an eye-opener, if you think about it. But I never imagined John burning the house down until I heard Paul say it.

Anyway, enough. Awesome album & discussion by the Fourum. Keep it going!

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Lynn McKenzie
11/19/2010 09:09

Oh yes! Spider Robinson also wrote an AMAZING short story entitled "Rubber Soul", about John's "reincarnation" and reunion with his old friend Paul! It's out of print, unfortunately, but if you can find it, you'll love it. Guaranteed.

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Whitcomb
11/21/2010 19:24

I found your discussion of "Rubber Soul" one of the best programs you've done.

Count me firmly in the camp that believes the Capitol edition of "Rubber Soul" is the iconic version of this album. No one can persuade me that the U.K. version is better -- clearly someone at Capitol knew what he was doing when he laid out the tracks of the U.S. "Rubber Soul."

Sure, the U.K. version is what the Beatles intended. That doesn't make it better, enjoyable as it is. The Capitol "Rubber Soul" captures the Beatles almost perfectly in transition from power-pop band to the eclectic, and cutting edge, group that it became.

I hope you plan a similar program on "Revolver."

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Chris
11/24/2010 08:34

Sorry I missed the broadcast. I wish you guys would have mentioned the show's airdate ahead of time because I'd like to have seen it.

And I apologize if you had and I wasn't paying attention. I try to pay attention to what you guys have to say. But for anyone else that missed it, I'd suggest the Winged Beatle series on Youtube. It's full of compelling info, and I hope you guys will cover that subject sometime.

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Rachel
12/08/2010 02:27

Miiiiiitch! You said you didn't read "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" because of what happened to John . . . but you didn't find out until 11 PM! Were you planning to start reading AFTER Monday night football?? Sorry buddy, but I'm an English teacher and have to side with yours on this one :)

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12/08/2010 03:57

Rachel,

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!! You are toooo funny!!! Yes, that is how I did ALL my schoolwork, after major sporting events had ended! Hey, anything to procrastinate!!!!

Thanks for being so picky....lolol!

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Rachel
12/08/2010 05:01

I'm only picky because I care, Mitch!

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12/15/2010 08:51

I didn't exactly "enjoy" your podcast on 12-8-80, but it made for compelling listening.

The two things that struck me most about that day were these: I had ordered a copy of THE PENGUIN JOHN LENNON as a birthday gift to myself (my birthday falls in mid-December...wasn't so great that year), and the clerks at the bookstore said it would probably take several months to arrive, or not at all. Go figure--it came in December 10th. I couldn't be that happy about it.

The other is that I'd walked to the local record store and bought an album that morning as a break from studying for finals. The album was BLOOD ON THE TRACKS. That title still gives me chills when I think of it.

Well done. Now, where were you when you heard about George?

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12/16/2010 16:31

Lynn - I remember it well. I had just quit an extremely stressful, abusive job a few months prior (and led to an almost three-year period of unemployment for me), so I wasn't at work, I was home...and my wife had a 4-day-a-week work schedule (man, I had that schedule for a while too....40 hours in 4 days -- freakin' sweet!) so she was home together.

We were living in New Jersey at the time. The clock radio woke us up and was set to New Jersey 101.5, and the news guy (I don't remember if it was Eric Scott or the other guy) said, and I quote: "It's the 'quiet Beatle' that has succumbed to cancer." I just exhaled and thought, "Yep, I guess the stories were true." (There were rumors going around that George's time was almost up, and nobody came out to deny the rumors, unlike when George Martin was misquoted as saying that George H. had only a year left.) My wife broke down in tears.

She even answered the phone in tears when the dry cleaner called to let her know her stuff was ready, and she had to explain to the guy why she was crying...

It was weird because I always hated the All Things Must Pass album (yes, you read that right) because I didn't like the Spector sound, but I was just starting to appreciate it just weeks earlier (and now I love it),and I thought what a shame to start getting into that music right when George is no longer here to talk about it...

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12/17/2010 09:45

I wasn't surprised about George, because I had spoken to someone whose son was an oncologist at the Staten Island Hospital. She knew I was a Beatles fan, and she told me (in confidence) that he wasn't expected to live much longer. So I knew it was coming. But then they played "All Those Years Ago" on the radio, and I began crying in front of my kids. It wasn't a shock, but it still felt bad.

Re the Beatles on iTunes: I think I know what's happening with the songs folks are downloading. They're getting the classics that aren't on "1" or the Red & Blue Albums, like "If I Fell" and "Blackbird" and "Got To Get You Into My Life", etc. The ones everyone knows but which don't show up on the GH albums because they weren't singles. I think this may be a good thing, because the more people hear, the more they'll want ALL their material. It's that good.

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Blaine63
12/19/2010 21:27

Ref the Dec 8th show:

December 8th is my birthday. A few friends were over at my house celebrating when my Step-Dad (who was watching MNF) called me into the living room...urgently. I ran in to hear Howard Cosell talking. I stood, rooted in place, in shock! With 3-5 minutes our phone rang. It was my best friend. He's moved away the previous summer...but we still talked and sent each other letters all of the time. After a short and somber call with included commiseration and birthday greetings the party broke up.

The next day I wore a black sock wrapped around my arm (didn't have an actual black armband). People I didn't even know came up to me to talk about it (I was known as a really big Beatles fan by all!). During lunch my "other" best friend (I'm a lucky person because I actually have two best friends and we remain tight even today) and I played acoustic guitars and sang.

I don't mean to equate the two events...but I know a few people who have birthdays on Sept. 11th and they are really bummed that the emotional high we can get from celebrating our birthdays has been taken from them by the horrible tragedy associated with Sept. 11th. "Sorry"...I say..."but I've been dealing with a very similar experience...since 1980!"

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Blaine63
12/19/2010 21:30

Please excuse the typos in the previous post. It's late and I wrote extemporaneously without proof-reading.

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Blaine63
12/24/2010 07:49

I just got around to listening to the Easter Egg (the day before christmas??) lightning round asking to pick Meet the Beatles or With the Beatles.

I like them both and for different reasons. My Grandmother gave me Meet the Beatles as a christmas gift in 1977. She could ill afford that gift...but she did just the same because she knew I really wanted that album. Emotionally...it's my favorite Beatles album of all time because it represents so much to me.

But I listen to With the Beatles all of the time because, really, it's a better album as far as I'm concerned. More tracks and it feels more cohesive.

But almost nothing tops the high I got when I opened the the gift christmas morning, 1977. The album was instantly on the turn-table (younger listeners may have trouble understanding that anachronism) replacing whatever generic christmas album that had been playing.

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12/24/2010 11:50

Gents,

I am spending Christmas catching up on episodes. I really enjoyed the interview with Peter Asher - most informative! Also the discussion around the Beatles on iTunes was fascinating and humorous. Still, I find Tony's aversion to iPods a bit silly. Indeed, I listen to your podcast on an iPod! I do a lot of traveling and there is no better way to take your entire music collection with you. There are many options on how to store your music if quality is an enormous concern.

Still, keep up the fascinating topics. I really enjoy the show!

Michael

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12/31/2010 07:57

Happy New Year to the Fab Fourum, and hope you had a happy Chrimble. (I meant to wish Mitch a "Happy Harmonica", too.) All the best to you & the Fourum's audience for 2011.

I enjoyed the JL remasters show, but I wish you could have gone into more detail about how the remixes differ from the original mixes. Is there somewhere I could get more information? And what I most want to know is, has "Meat City" been corrected to include John's final comments on the outro?

Thanks for another entertaining podcast!

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01/08/2011 03:35

Thoughts on BOTR (rhymes with LOTR):

1. I honestly can't hear a dime's worth of difference between the 2010 remaster and the 1998 25th Anniversary remaster. Both sound great. Then again, I'm not a megaaudiophile.

2. Paul was and is wrong. "Helen Wheels" BELONGS on BOTR. It helps perk up Side 2 just when it's getting a bit tedious, and the lyrics about Sailor Sam fit perfectly. I've rearranged my iPod playlist to include "Helen Wheels" where it belongs.

3. The bonus tracks are good renditions. Although I have about ten or twelve versions of "Band on the Run" and "Jet" now, these particular takes are some of the best. Paul was still young and in good voice, and the band is tight. Nice to have these.

4. I think you're wrong, Mitch; the video for "Band on the Run" looks like an old video from '73 or '74 to me. The quality alone seems to confirm that. Perhaps Capitol insisted on the Beatle imagery? Or maybe Paul was coming to terms with his past.

5. While I enjoyed ONE HAND CLAPPING, it's hard for me to believe that's the best video quality available. Couldn't he have spent a few of his millions to clean it up? Plus, the director did a horrible job. Really amateurish. Still, the performances are great ones. I love "Soily"and Paul's solo piano bits. But WHY did they cut out "Suicide"? It's not on an Easter Egg somewhere, is it? Maybe he's saving it for MCCARTNEY.

6. Overall, an enjoyable buy for those who haven't seen ONE HAND CLAPPING or who don't own the 25th Anniversary Edition. I prefer it to DF Stripped Down, in which I agree with you, Tony; it wasn't meant to be heard that way. It sounds unfinished.

Good show!

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01/08/2011 16:57

My wife and I must be the only people on the face of the earth who absolutely can't bloody stand "Mrs. Vanderbilt." Ho. Ho hum.

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Ken Michaels
01/10/2011 06:18

Hey Lynn,

First of all, the end of "Meat City" was corrected on the new remaster to include John saying the full line "Who is that, and why are they doing those strange things," which was cut off in the first batch of CDs that came out for "Mind Games."

Second,I'm with you on your feelings that "Helen Wheels" will also be a song from the "Band On The Run" album, but that's because we in America grew up with it that way. Paul thinks the way it came out in the U.K., and, in his mind, right or wrong, he never felt it belonged on the album. With the Beatles, there was always a huge delineation between songs that were strictly singles and albums. There'll always be some disputes between an artist's vision, and how his fans look at his work.

And Sean, sorry you feel that way about "Mrs. Vandebilt." I always loved that song, and am glad that Paul put it into his live shows. Everyone has different musical tastes!

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Blaine63
01/17/2011 07:26

BOTR show comment: I don't remember who said it...but referring to the studio in Lagos as being put together by Magic Alex was so damn funny. Sadly, though, Magic Alex could not have done even that good of a job with a studio.

It's a testament to both Paul and especially Geoff Emerick (who has a lot of enmity for Magic Alex) that the album sounds as good as it does.

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Whitcomb
01/17/2011 17:53

Enjoyed the program on "Something New" and it raised in my mind an infrequently discussed point about the Beatles on CD.

I'm certainly no expert on digital remastering, but the 1987 CD releases always seemed to have a harsh and even tinny sound to me. That problem was beautifully addressed with the release of the Capitol box sets -- the best remastering of the Beatles until the 2009 overhaul. Of course, I'm biased toward the Capitol albums because those are the records that I listened to growing up. Not only are there some different mixes on the U.S. albums, there's other recording devices such as the use of reverb on "The Beatles' Second Album." And as I've argued before on this site, I think the Capitol version of "Rubber Soul" trumps the U.K. version.

I'd love to hear a Fab Fourum discussion on the merits of the Beatles' U.S. albums v. the U.K. releases. And I wait, in vain probably, for a third box set of the Capitol recordings.

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01/20/2011 02:15

Another enjoyable show on GONE TROPPO. I've always loved that record. I found out about it by going to the record store and seeing it in the racks--out of nowhere! Usually I had the word in advance from Rolling Stone or something that an album was on the way. Not this time.

Track by track: "Wake Up My Love"--aw, guys, don't diss it so much. I still love it! The synths are bouncy and catchy as hell, and George's vocal is full of energy for a "laid-back" record. Funny he didn't include the lyrics on the last verse ("Oh I need you Lord...").

"That's The Way It Goes"--great slide guitar, and some fascinating lyrics. Jeff Lynne did a nice remix of this a few years later, and I love Joe Brown's version on THE CONCERT FOR GEORGE HARRISON. Good solid tune.

"I Really Love You"--I'm not into doo-wop either, but this one is fun to listen to. Didn't it reach, like, #100 on the charts?

"Greece"--Beautiful, beautiful slide guitar semi-instrumental. I could never understand about 80% of what George is singing, though. Could someone please post ALL the lyrics? Pretty please?

"Gone Troppo"--I hate Buffett but love this song. The light touch is just perfect for George's sometimes dour personality.

"Mystical One"--You're right, should've been a single. Lovely & uplifting. Like so many George ballads, could be about his wife or about God.

"Unknown Delight"--It's pretty, but not exceptional. I always wondered if it was about Dhani.

"Baby Don't Run Away"--Ugh. That ARP bass or whatever it is is horrible. I don't like this one at all. Too slow and dirgey.

"Dream Away"--Brilliant. I just wish he'd kept that organ intro from TIME BANDITS at the beginning. A "troppo-ish" tune....

"Circles"--I didn't know this was an old Beatles song at first. The lyrics are interesting, but the arrangement here is too slow. Still, it beats "Baby Don't Run Away".

Overall rating: 8/10. Never one I kept at the bottom of the Harrison pile. That would be DARK HORSE and EXTRA TEXTURE.

Great show!

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John Botch
01/27/2011 09:24

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John Botch
01/27/2011 09:30

I enjoyed the discussion of "Let It Be." I was wondering if the Oscar for original song score needed to be discussed?

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Mitch
01/27/2011 10:42

Hi John,

You are CORRECT! We SHOULD have mentioned it. That's why we have great listeners to point things like this out! We do so much talking and sometimes little important facts get left out.

Thanks!!!

Mitch

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Blaine63
01/28/2011 07:23

The Let It Be show.

Even though I've been a Beatles fan as long as I can remember (I remember singing "Yesterday" to myself in the front yard of the first house I lived in...I must have been about 5 years old) I wasn't exposed to the Beatles that much growing up. My mom was a Tom Jones and Neil Diamond fan (horrors!!) and my dad just sort of listened to AM radio without caring too much about what was on.

My next door neighbors were a musical family (hence the evolution into becoming The Polka Family Band <subsequently nominated for 4 Grammys>I was their first Sax player) but next door Dad and Mom’s tastes were more ethnic: West Coast Jazz, Polish and Mexican Polka music. My best friend (next door neighbor) and I developed an intense fascination with the Beatles even though neither of us had any actual albums or even singles!! We simply couldn’t afford to buy anything. Subsequently the first Beatles album I ever owned was Let It Be. About…1972? (I have the Red Apple Label…the first time I got an album with a Green Apple Label I thought I had purchased a rarity which was just opposite to what most people thought). I love the album. I love the little snippets between songs and have always enjoyed them. I didn’t know, exactly, that this was a live studio album. I knew what a “live” album was as “Hot August Nights” was shoved down my throat when it first came out. And I knew most records didn’t have “audiences” when they were recorded. But I somehow knew that this album was performed differently than most. I understood, maybe on a different level, that this was a live album. It certainly sounded relaxed to me.

The Long and Winding Road debate: I never really cottoned to that song. It simply “felt” wrong. As a kid if I was going to skip a song it was this one. Don’t get me wrong: It’s a beautiful song. Most songwriters (with the exception of John Lennon) would give their back teeth to have this in their notebooks but it never quite felt right to me. I prefer the “naked” version…but it still doesn’t feel right.

I love I dig a Pony! I love the lyrics and the riff and the vibe. The ironic and funny reading of the lyrics on the show did not diminish my enthusiasm for this song one iota.

One after 909…I love that one too (as well as The One after 909 as originally recorded). On the Let it Be version George’s solo really rips…but if you think about it he had, like, 10 years to work on it!

The guitar solo on the album version of the song Let It Be is beautiful and way more fitting than the “single” version. Whenever I hear the “single” version it grates! Ouch!

Because this album is one of my favorites I was excited when “Naked” was announced and really anticipated its release. I wasn’t disappointed. I listen to the “Naked” version as much as the original…and I actually think of them as two different albums…not as an updated version of the original. I can allow them to stand on their own.

Thanks for reading my boring litany!

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NewBrownShoe
02/01/2011 14:15

hi guys,

just heard the Gone Troppo and the Let it Be shows. great discussions as always! i was 17 when GT came out and must admit, it was much softer than i was hoping for at the time, but it really does have a great vibe to it, even though i really don't care too much for Dream Away.

anyway, i have never, ever, spoken to anybody else who has even heard this album. i mean have friends that like the beatles, but none of them were into george's solo stuff you know. so again, very cool to even hear the discussion all these years later.

thanks!
NBS

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jack
02/03/2011 20:11

Not The Wheel!

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Sean Courtney
02/04/2011 01:13

Even the royal house of Hanover had the wheel, sir.

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NewBrownShoes
02/04/2011 17:00

in response to Blaine63's thoughts on Let it Be Naked...i totally agree. i see the original and the Naked mix as two separate entities. however, i totally love the song, Long and Winding Road. always have. the broadstreet version i think is way more cheesy than the original though. specter's rendition is lush but i don't thin kit's cheesy. just my three cents.

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Saint Yups
02/10/2011 09:06

Hi all, keep up the great work.

Listening to the Solo Love Songs show, and amazed at how many of your choices I am unfamiliar with. OK, I knew that some of the solo albums had passed me by, but this really underlined how much I have missed.

Any chance you could post a list of all your selections (with the source albums) so I can attempt to track down these fine songs?

For what it's worth, my top 5 would be:
My Love (Paul)
Photograph (Ringo)
You (George)
Beautiful Boy (John)
My Sweet Lord (George)

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Rachel
02/10/2011 12:43

I can't resist the urge to add my $.02, so here's my top 20 list, in no particular order.

Ringo

"Only You"
"Photograph"
"Six o'Clock"
(Great backing vocals by Linda on this one!)
"Sure to Fall"
(I added this one because it sounds like Ringo
and Paul are at a bar singing this old song from
their early Beatles days, and that feels like love.)

John

"Look at Me"
"Oh My Love"
"Oh Yoko!"
"(Just Like) Starting Over"
"Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy)"

George

"What is Life?"
"I Dig Love"
(So funky, so blue-grassy, and simple! Always
loved this one. Also qualifies as a great driving
song from a previous podcast.)
"Don't Let Me Wait Too Long"
"Got My Mind Set On You"

Paul

"Love in Song"
"Beautiful Night"
"Some People Never Know"
"Calico Skies"
"No Other Baby"
"Letting Go"
"Hope of Deliverance"

Honorable Mention

Yoko - "Let Me Count the Ways"
Linda - "Endless Days"
Julian - "Day After Day"
Sean - "Two Fine Lovers"

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Blaine63
02/11/2011 08:03

Only one post Beatles love song: Eat at Home!

Just kidding (not kidding about that song...but there are more)...I'll post more later.

Great broadcast!

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Blaine63
02/11/2011 08:37

No number requirement met by me...there are so many that I'll simply shotgun it:

Paul-
Maybe I'm amazed
My love
(Okay...the easy ones are out of the way)
Arrow through me
I'm carrying
One more kiss

John-
Oh Yoko
(Just like) Starting over
One Day at a time

George-
What is life
You
If not for you
Never get over you
(he used the word "you" a lot)

Ringo-(Sadly I've never been much of a solo Ringo fan and I apologize to Ringo and this forum for that lack)
Photograph
walk with you

Thanks for reading my drivel.

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Jerry
02/12/2011 10:25

Enjoyed the Let It Be show. It would be great if you could interview Michael Lindsey Hogg about the movie.
I would love to hear a show along the line of the Sessions show, but dedicated to the unreleased songs, like the Kinfauns Demos, Revolution Take 20 etc.

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Niels
02/12/2011 11:30

Hi guys

I really enjoy your show. it gets better and better, and i´m kind of addicted to it. GREAT!!

I think you missed a point in the Let It Be show.
The Glyn Johns Get Back versions were not mentioned in the show and I really find them very interesting. Both as works in process but also as part of political discussions that ended as Let It Be..
Are you going to devote an entire show to these near Beatle - albums, or will it be Fab Fourum forgotten?

By the way, came across and bought the "Beatles por siempre". Really Nice collection for South America and spain, done in 1971. Could you do a show about some compilations from different parts of the world? - There are some really interesting among those.

And:Look forward to hear your
proper take on The Beatles again/Hey Jude. a great album in my opinion.

Again: Thank you for a great, great show.

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jim
02/14/2011 09:57

two of the best solo 'love somgs' not mentioned:
paul: no other baby
george let it down

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Whitcomb
02/22/2011 05:01

Enjoyed your show on the BBC recordings. Maybe 2014 -- the 20th anniversary of the release of "Live at the BBC" -- would serve as an excuse for EMI/BBC to release the entire recordings in a box set.

"Live at the BBC" to my mind is one of the top five Beatles albums ever released. I think it's that strong and historically significant. I generally agreed with your take on the highlights, but I would add "Some Other Guy" and "Don't Ever Change" to the discussion. I also think the record has versions of their own songs that are superior to the official studio releases -- "I Saw Her Standing There" and "All My Loving" come to mind.

The album has a vibrancy and rawness that captures the Beatles in full bloom in England and on the verge of international fame. Spectacular.

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Blaine63
02/24/2011 07:23

Listening to the "1975" episode. A laugh out loud one-liner comment during the Extra Texture discussion:

"Oh, and by the way, Christmas is coming and it's not an album of Indian music."

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jack
02/28/2011 10:35

Re- Break up Show
"Bill Graham presents: The Beatles live tour 1969"
is something I often think/dream about.

Something you didn't mention, was how the official brake up-on paper-didn't happen until 1975. Here's an interesting quote on the break up from "You Never Give Me Your Money" by Peter Doggett :

"...royalties from everything they released, together or alone, before Oct. 1974 were divided equally between them."

So all the pre-74 solo stuff really are like Beatle records-kind of!

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Rick Boyer
03/04/2011 14:11

Re: Breakup Show

You really nailed this show. Great overview of the topic, and loved the Rolling Stone reference at the end.

For me, I'm thinking of two instances where the guys stepped away and observed the Beatles in 3rd person: George, I think was quoted as saying he was "a fan of the Beatles", and the lyric John wrote "I don't believe in the Beatles"

To me, they might of somewhat thought of "The Beatles" as being a skin that they had shed; the touring, girls screaming, mop top, four headed monster. When George supposedly said "I'm no longer a Beatle" as their vehicle was leaving their last gig also said volumes.

So when they started making more complex music, ceased writing together (for the most part) growing facial hair and of course stopped giving concerts, I think they were at least sub-consiously "killing" that incarnation of the Beatles. The timing of Brian's death didn't help anything. We really never get another glimpse of that band until the rooftop concert.

I loved listening to your speculation about live performance; did they think girls would still be screaming in 1969? Were they not aware of the advacment of concert technology? The one difference between The Who and the Stones, who have toured endlessly over the years is that they don't really perform "pop" per se. They're both either blues or hard rock oriented. It would have been until the "Wings over America" mid 70's era before the Beatles could've played much of their catalog. Thank goodness we get to hear Paul play some of the more complicated songs.

As always you guys provide one of my favorite podcasts! Keep up the good work.

PS - Hey, have you ever considered doing a quick recap of the "Beatle news of the week"? I'd find that really interesting!

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Blaine63
03/16/2011 19:03

Great show. I'm a Monkees fan and I enjoyed the insight.

On the lightning question: As most who listen to the podcast and/or participate on this board I've read dozens of books. I like most that were mentioned on the podcast...but my taste goes more towards what they did to achieve their sounds and how they achieved their sounds. My favorite and I think the most factual/detailed book is "Beatles Gear" by Andy Babiuk. The details and insight have more to say to the equipment/process geeks like me than any other books. Honorable mention goes to Geoff Emerick's "Here, there and everywhere." More than George Martin's "All you need is ears", Emerick's book goes into the unique processes and solutions involved with making some of the most dramatic and genre changing music in rock history.

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03/17/2011 01:34

Hi Blaine,

Thanks for the nice words. We are ALL Monkees fans too! I like all 3 books you mentioned but I found Emerick's book, while very insightful, to be a bit biased against certain Beatles.

Have a great day.

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Blaine63
03/17/2011 15:52

Yeah...George and Ringo took hits from him, for sure (actually John too. I guess if your name isn't Paul then you get an extra fine magnifying glass). Those parts made me cringe a little...but I love the technical details he gave. Not many people realize how lucky the Beatles were in terms of getting the right technical team behind them. Those people (George Martin, Norman Smith and Geoff Emerick), while not the writing or performing talents, went a long way in helping the Beatles realize their musical ideas! I know you guys know that...the fact that you have musicians on the podcast makes it all the better.

I've said it before...but I'll say it again: Love your show.

BTW: I've purchased a book from every single author who has been on your show. Bring someone on and they have at least one confirmed sale waiting to happen!!

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Rick
03/23/2011 07:15

Loved the Monkees ep as well! You know you just teased an entire episode devoted to Beatles books, right? The Carr/Tyler book is what re-introduced me to the Fabs and kick started my subsequent love affair with the band. It was the first I'd ever heard of the British LP's!

PS - Show notes would be awesome so I could look up all of the cool stuff you guys talk about!

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John Botch
03/31/2011 08:34

No artist can surpass the work of the Beatles. Artists who cover Beatles’ songs reach, struggle, and hope to touch the transcendent. A phenomenon comes, goes, and leaves a trail, we can only witness. The comet’s path cannot be improved or changed, only followed. The convergence of the Beatles exploded singularly for all to experience. Other phenomena have streaked through our consciousness and provided timeless beauty for all. When we hear a Beatles’ cover, let us enjoy the pleasure of the timeless classic as seen by another admirer. One special reflection was Randy Travis’ take of “Nowhere Man.”

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Rachel
04/01/2011 02:54

Stop whatever you're doing, go to iTunes or YouTube, and listen to The Black Keys' version of "She Said, She Said." Best Beatles cover EVER!

And although 'RAM' isn't a Beatles album, I think these covers of the album (in its entirety) are fresh, fun, and more than worth a listen:

RAM On LA, Various LA Artists: http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/ram-on-la/

The RAM Project, Dave Depper:
http://hangout.altsounds.com/news/127013-dave-depper-the-ram-project-jackpot-records-may-3rd.html

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Blaine63
04/01/2011 11:01

I am the Walrus-Boingo! Remarkable.

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04/05/2011 09:06

Love Johnny Cash's version of "In My Life". It almost always brings me close to tears. Really like the Pixies "Wild Honey Pie" but I'm a huge Pixies fan. Love The Breeders strange dark version of "Happiness Is A Warm Gun". The Jam's take on "And Your Bird Can Sing" is spot on. My favorite Beatles cover is Fiona Apple's languid "Across The Universe". First discovered it on the Pleasantville DVD which contains a great video of the song.

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Robin
04/08/2011 01:40

Loved the covers show. Many of my faves were mentioned, I would like to add the great James Booker's "Penny Lane/I Saw Her Standing There" as one of my personal faves.

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Don M
04/08/2011 13:02

Hi all

First generation Beatles fan, and first visit to the blog. I enjoyed the recent lightning round where the guys discussed their favorite Beatle books. I hope to see that topic expanded to a full show sometime. There is certainly no shortage of material to discuss. Which brings me to my question. In 1985 I came across a book by Bill Harry, called "Paperback Writers: An Illustrated Bibliography - The History of the Beatles in Print" This one was labeled "Volume 3" and it was a comprehensive listing of presumably most Beatle books published prior to 1985, with chapters not only on the books, but magazines, music books, comics, etc. Although hundreds of Beatle books have been published since 1985, I have never seen an updated version of this handy reference, nor can I find anything similar on the Internet. Anybody here come across something I have missed?

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Blaine63
04/10/2011 15:40

@Don M: Two interesting books for the geeky Beatles fan are: FAB FOUR FAQ and FAB FOUR FAQ 2.0. Listen to the fab fourum episode #36. The author, Robert Rodriguez,(co-author of the first), is interviewed in depth. The books are filled with esoteric minutia and really interesting facts. I find myself referring back to both frequently.

Have fun reading.

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Don M
04/11/2011 10:11

Hi Blaine63

Yes, I'm aware of those books, and I quite enjoyed episode #36 back when. My question was whether there are any current Beatles Bibliographies in print or on the net.


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Blaine63
04/13/2011 17:00

@Don M:Don't know about that....though it seems if there was a recent one I would have stumbled upon it. Let us know if you find one.

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I love this show, and I'm so pleased to find this area. Reading the comments is almost like an extension of the show. It's amazing to see how many of us Beatle nuts there are, and we don't think each other are weird at all! :) I know, they disbanded 41 years ago, but I still remember the first time Penny Lane was played on Radio London, a week before the official release. No other music has effected me so. Perhaps a show on their strong effects on people would be cool?

Thanks so much for your show-it's a bit therapy as well as entertainment! I am not alone. :)

You may enjoy my solo guitar takes on the world's best loved songs at www.myspace.com/davidwaldonpicksonthebeatles . I 'Spect you'll like it!

Keep up the incredible work!

David

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Rick
04/22/2011 04:44

Re: Cleveland show (and probably the norm for most of the '66 tour)

Ticket prices topped out at $5.50 - just under $37.00 in 2011 dollars! However that's also about what it would cost to buy a copy of Revolver!

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04/28/2011 01:40

Hey all...sorry it's been so long since I've commented, but trust me, I'm still listening. Great shows.

I have to comment on the latest show, "Paul's Peak". I agreed with a lot of your arguments, but I can't BELIEVE you didn't mention BAND ON THE RUN even once! I suspect most Beatles fans would consider that record THE peak of Paul's post-Beatles career. I don't think it's the toppermost, but it's certainly in the top five.

Let me share lists of the albums I think are Paul's best, and then my *favorites* (slight difference, as we know).

Best: BAND ON THE RUN
TUG OF WAR (IMO, his very best)
FLOWERS IN THE DIRT
CHAOS & CREATION IN THE BACKYARD (his PET SOUNDS record)
ELECTRIC ARGUMENTS

Those five stand head & shoulders above all his other albums. Now my faves.

RAM
BACK TO THE EGG
MCCARTNEY II
PRESS TO PLAY (can't wait for your show on this one!)
DRIVING RAIN

Last but not least, his worst:

WILD LIFE
LONDON TOWN
OFF THE GROUND
FLAMING PIE

That last choice is there because it's the biggest disappointment. Some of Paul's greatest songs ever--"Calico Skies", "Beautiful Night", "Little Willow", "Somedays"--share CD time with some of the most god-awful garbage he's ever done, and a lot of mediocre tunes. "The Song We Were Singing" is patent pandering to Beatle fans, as is the even worse title track, made up in four hours & sounding like it. "Mumbo" at least didn't pretend to be meaningful. The Steve Miller tunes bore me, and "Really Love You" has some truly atrocious lyrics. "I need you/Like a bear needs a break?!" Get real. Know why he could write "Young Boy" while Linda was having a doctor visit? Because melodically, it's a rewrite of "Hope of Deliverance". Which was better. Sorry, but I think Paul does better when he takes more time over his production, ELECTRIC ARGUMENTS being the rare exception--and I think Youth had a lot to do with that.

BTW, I prefer the original take of "Beautiful Night" to the PIE version.

Oh, and while I'm alienating you guys, I don't think much of "Through Your Love", either. It's OK, but hardly one of his greatest love songs. I prefer "So Bad", myself.

Anyway, excellent show, and thanks for listening to my ranting.

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Mitch
04/28/2011 05:34

Hi Lynn,

Nice to hear from you again even though you are wrong! LOLOL!!!!! I think we all didn't mention BOTR even once because we all KNOW it's considered his best work by the majority of fans! That would have been too obvious and then we wouldn't get great emails like yours! ;)

Have to disagree with you on Flaming Pie. Yes, Really Love You is not great but he says in the liner notes that it was just a jam and they made up lyrics on the spot so I have to give him a pass on that one. I agree to a degree on Young Boy but it's still a nice pop song! I also like So Bad but I don't really like when he sings falsetto so it's Through Our Love for me! I really enjoy London Town. Just my personal preference and we all have those (as we are definitely hearing this week).

Thanks for taking the time to write and for continued listening!

Take care.

Mitch

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Niels
04/29/2011 09:48

Hi guys

Thanx for a great show on Pauls peaks. Very interesting discussion indeed.
I agree with you about the 1986 - 93 conclusion. That is red hot - and probably his best.
And I consider the collection of songs for the "Return To Pepperland" 1987 album among his best.
imagine this album:
1. Once upon a long ago
2. Love Mix
3. Same Love
4. Back on My feet
5. Lindiana

1. I love this house
2. Return To Pepperland
3. PS Love Me do
4. Atlantic Ocean
5. Beautiful night

WOW!!!!

And last but not least: Thank you for taking away my guilt for liking Press to Play. Great Album!!!!

Keep up the good work
Niels

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Blaine63
05/08/2011 12:30

Okay...I'll try a real top 5 (with 5 honorable mentions) later. But it really is hard.

I can only come up with two songs that ALWAYS make the list: Twist and Shout (the most amazing Rock and Roll studio recording of all time!) and I'm only sleeping. But there are so many others...narrowing it down to 5 (+5)? Damn. I'll work on it, though.

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05/09/2011 13:11

Great show on favorite songs! Some thoughts I had while listening:

1. I heard "And Your Bird Can Sing" initially as "Andrew Bird Can Sing". Yes, he can. :-)

2. "Baby You're A Rich Man" is one of my top faves (although not in the Top 5). I loved hearing it used so well in THE SOCIAL NETWORK.

My own top faves? Hmmm....

"I'm A Loser". One of about four songs from BEATLES FOR SALE which are all my all-time faves, but this one is the best. George's guitar solo just about pops out of the speakers, and the harmonica wails so gorgeously. Love the lyrics, too, and Paul's harmonies on the chorus.

"The Word". Love those harmonies and those lyrics. The organ's nice, too, and it has *soul*.

"Rocky Raccoon". Because it's in a minor key, and it's fun! And the lyrics are rather mysterious. The doctor "proceeded to lie on the table"...is he lying about Rocky's impending doom, or lying down?

"Rain". Psychedelic rock to the max. Some of their best instrumental work ever.

"I'm Looking Through You"--the Anthology version. Bluesy, catchy and cutting.

Runners-up include "Tomorrow Never Knows" (stereo), "I'm Only Sleeping" (US mono), "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party", "I'll Be Back" and "No Reply".

Last but not least...I can't wait for next week and RAM!!

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Rachel
05/11/2011 07:27

THANK YOU FOR THE RAM SHOW!!!!

I've told you this a million times, but RAM is my favorite album OF ALL TIME and I LOVED this show!

RAM has energy. It has funk. It has romance and humor and sadness and bite and it's a perfect 10. It sounds fresh, new, and edgy even now.

If you haven't already, check out these contemporary covers of the entire RAM album - they're amazing and lots of fun to hear!

RAM On LA, Various LA Artists: http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/ram-on-la/

The RAM Project, Dave Depper:
http://hangout.altsounds.com/news/127013-dave-depper-the-ram-project-jackpot-records-may-3rd.html

Thanks for yet another amazing show, guys - you're my favorite podcast!

All my listen'
Rachel

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05/13/2011 08:58

Marvelous RAM show, guys. I was going to post a comment, but it got too long. So I put it in my journal, and I'll just leave a link here:

http://lynn9mckenzie.livejournal.com/

Thanks for saying which tracks Spinozza and McCracken played on, too. Very helpful. I gotta write it down before I forget.

Super show!

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05/13/2011 09:18

Oh, and yes, guys, Admiral Halsey was a British admiral during WWII. :)

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Blaine63
05/13/2011 19:16

Loved the Ram show. Also my favorite Paul album. I've always had an affinity for Monkberry moon delight despite the fact that it makes zero sense. Also...on the subject of paul shredding his vocal chords with that song...Dave Grohl does that night after night after night...yet is still able to retain a soft sounding voice when he needs it. Maybe Dave is a genetic mutant with regards to his vocal chords!

Admiral "Bull" Halsey was an American Admiral during WWII. He graduated from Annapolis and was the main force behind the build up of naval airpower in WWII (but this is off the topic of the Ram album).

I'm firmly convinced that three legs is about the Beatles and John as well as Too many people.

The ukulele in Ram on always makes me smile.

Ram on, Beatles fans!

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05/21/2011 17:41

Loved the show about fan festivals! Just want to share my experiences...

The only real Beatles festival I've been to was The Fest Formerly Known As Beatlefest. I first heard about it in 1988 when, as a 14-year-old, I saw an ad in Rolling Stone that said to call 1-800-BEATLES for a free Beatles catalog, and it turned out to be Beatlefest's catalog. Over the years I met people who went religiously, and eventually I succumbed to my friends' pressure in 1996 by going as a college graduation present to myself, thinking, "Okay, I'll go this year just to see what it's all about." "This year" became "every freakin' year up to 2008."

I lived in the Chicago suburbs until 1998, when I moved to New Jersey to make a long-distance relationship a no-distance relationship, and I lived there for eight years, moving to Chicago (the actual city, not the suburbs this time!) in 2006. Every year I went to the Chicago Beatlefest (actually in nearby Rosemont, down the road from O'Hare)...

At first, my favorite thing about the 'fest was grabbing my guitar and playing with the various little jam spots around the Hyatt, especially in the (now gone) fountain room. In 1997 I played and sang for so long that my throat was just about dying...there were requests for Monkees tunes coming from the crowd, and we all agreed to do "Words." I was assigned Micky's part....yikes...I have a pretty low voice, so my low voice trying to sing Micky's high parts after hours of playing and singing?? Not pleasant! :)

The Fab Fourum guys talked about how the 'Fest went from NYC to Jersey...well, in Chicago, it was first at the Palmer House hotel in downtown Chicago, then moved to Rosemont, where O'Hare is realistically located. (It's only in Chicago based on a nitpicky technicality undoubtedly instituted by Mayor Richard J. Daley.) I've heard several explanations for the move from the cities to the suburbs. One unofficial reason I heard from a friend of Mark Lapidos's was that New York and Chicago were too tempting for people to leave the 'Fest to go out and do things in the city. Another explanation I heard is that the vendors were complaining about having to haul their goods all the way into the city, while Rosemont is just a mile up the road from O'Hare and the Jersey 'fest is a short ride down the Turnpike.

A few observations:
- My wife and I were so used to the Chicago 'fest that when we first went to the New Jersey 'fest in 1999, it was....a downer. We just didn't like it. The hotel was shabby. There was no concierge -- we asked where the concierge was and we were pointed to a computer kiosk that was on a Blue Screen of Death. The elevators broke down. The ballroom was overheated. The snack line was ridiculous and cost about twice as much as the one in Chicago. To get non-alcoholic drinks we had to hunt all over the place, and found something on the second floor. And for some reason the stuff in the marketplace cost a lot more, including the stuff from the same vendors who we'd see in Chicago! We tried the Jersey 'fest again in 2002 because we felt it was our duty in honor of George...sucked again. And for whatever reason we decided to go for one day in 2005, and....had a blast! Probably because we had low expectations, probably also because we met up with a friend of ours who never went before and, five minutes into Bruce Spizer's morning talk, said, "If Beatlefest were nothing but this, I'd still feel like I got my money's worth! This is GREAT!" And I got to meet Mark Lewisohn, get his autograph, and shake his hand. :)

- I agree with the guys about watching the movies in the ballroom. That was a blast! Help! was a big audience participation flick. And for people who didn't know about the underground world, this was the only possible way to watch Let It Be. Somewhere around 2002 or 2003, all the movies disappeared from the 'Fest except for A Hard Day's Night. By an astonishing coincidence, it was also the same year that Beatlefest's name was changed and Apple somehow denied Mark the right to use the name Beatlefest despite the fact that he'd been using it since 1974 and even owned the trademark. And by another astonishing coincidence, it just so happens that Apple owns the rights to Help!, Yellow Submarine, Let It Be, and Magical Mystery Tour...but not A Hard Day's Night. I e-mailed Mark and said what the heck happened? His response was something along the lines of "Well, we have so many great speakers now that we need the ballroom available for them." Ummm.....sure.

- At the Chicago 'fest there are also the regulars...the guy who looks like Elvis...Johnny Michaels (one of the oldest Beatles fans ever....the guy must be in his eighties!)..."Brian from New York," as I referred to him (he's actually in The Bootlegs at the Jersey fest; he used to come to Chicago every year)..."the John and Yoko people"..."the weird chick," as my wife and I refer to her...the "crazy tambourine

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05/21/2011 17:42

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lady"....

- What really annoys me, though, is the animosity among the bands in the Battle of the Beatles Bands...seriously, they get kind of nasty and catty toward each other, and it's embarrassing. Hey, people, you are Beatles cover bands playing at a fan festival for what is essentially a no-prize; GET OVER YOURSELVES. You're not trying to win the NME poll. Just STFU and have fun. (And get on stage and PLAY SOME FRICKIN' MUSIC; stop with the extended dialog with the really bad fake Beatle Liverpool accents. And hey, you skinny teenagers who think it'd be really neat to do a loud, fast, heavily-distorted rendition of "Hey Bulldog" and playing your guitars below your crotches....it's been done. Many, many, many times.)

- Speaking of Battle of the Beatles Bands...I can echo the guys' sentiment about who competes in these...perhaps the most memorable for me was a band from Puerto Rico called Jukebox. They were flippin' amazing! I think it was in 2001 or 2002 when Jukebox set up in the corridor of the hotel after midnight and played for hours on end...and they lived up to their name: you ask for a song, they did it...they knew EVERYTHING, including BBC and Decca stuff...and performed it spot-on! (And that night someone distributed Jell-O shots to everyone. Way cool!)

- Lately, though, it just hasn't been the same. Been kinda lame. Partly because, as the guys mentioned, a lot of the bigger-name guests have been, well, dying off or getting too old to travel. Also, the law of supply and demand...in terms of the marketplace, my wife and I have pretty much everything we want, and what we want but DON'T have, we'll never be able to find for a reasonable price. (For example, Meet The Beatles! sold how many copies? A worn-down copy in mono with Jenny's name written on it isn't "rare" and shouldn't have a $45 price tag on it!!!) Also, every year there are fewer vendors (unofficial word is that they can't afford/don't want to pay what the 'Fest is asking for vendor fees), and it seems that as vendors drop, the 'Fest table just spreads out and takes over the tables that would have been used by vendors who are no longer there. And the vendors who are still around either hawk the most useless stuff (like, say, white magnets that just say "The Beatles" in a random font face) or are vendors who year after year after year have the same exact stuff for the same exact prices...uhhh...hel-LOOOOO, if you keep hauling out the same exact stuff and can't get rid of it, maybe it's time to lower the prices or be willing to negotiate on the price? Sigh....I miss the tie-dye guy....and I bought a shirt for him just in time: after that 'Fest, he was gone thanks to the Great Vendor Purge of 2000.

- The last time my wife and I officially attended was in 2008. We stopped for various reasons. The guests of late have been very....questionable...in terms of their connections to the Beatles. The movies are gone, except for AHDN. There are no new offerings at all. And the Hyatt was remodeled...for the worse: the pool was taken out and replaced by....open air. The Garden Terrace restaurant was replaced by a twice-as-expensive restaurant with half the selections. There are new honor bars in the rooms in which if you so much as move something, you get charged for it and have to dispute the charge. (The staff warned us about that. You KNOW it's bad if the staff thinks it's a dumb idea.) The Forum, which was a GREAT large-sized room for guest speakers and the sound-alike tryouts, was replaced by a so-five-minutes-ago sports bar where for only $14 you can get a plain hamburger sans fries. When I voiced my complaints, I got a response from the manager saying that all these changes were made to make the hotel more competitive. Three years later I'm still trying to figure that out.

- My wife and I went to the Hyatt in 2009 to meet up with our friends who attend every year; we picked up the traditional deep-dish pizza. One of our friends cut off her wrist-strap and offered it to us; my wife taped it on her wrist, went into the marketplace, and came back out two minutes later with nothing; shortest time she ever spent in the marketplace, and the first time she didn't buy ANYTHING. She said it was worthless. I didn't bother to borrow the wrist strap. (And that's another thing...why do they require you to have a ticket to go into the marketplace? The thought is that you're going into the marketplace TO SPEND MONEY. So they make you spend money for the privilege of spending money??)

- Remember when "Dutch imports" (as I heard them referred to as on a recent Fab Fourum!) were prominent in the marketplace? When I first went in 1996, it was shortly after I first discovered these little gems. I bought a few Yellow Dog titles in the Marketplace on Saturday, then on Sunday there was a woman with a table loaded with 'em and was asking $15 per disc, IIRC. I asked her how she's able to get away with

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selling those out in the open like that; it was obvious that I asked the wrong vendor this question, as her response was: "I'm a girl. I'm dumb. I don't know anything. Someone just gave me this stuff to sell and told me they're really cool CDs." There were other times when I'd kind of whisper the word "Vigotone" or "Yellow Dog" to a vendor and said vendor would look both ways wit his eyes and then hand me a Post-It Note [tm] with a room number on it....and you'd go to that room and there would be several large-screen TVs set up showing some bootleg videotapes and crates full of boot CDs on the beds, and a small crowd of people shopping around. Heh...friends I met on the beatlegs Yahoo! Groups list would bump into me every year and just say a room number to me. :) Those were fun days...

- One year during the sound-alike tryouts, elderly Beatles fan Johnny Michaels was going to perform...he whispered something to Martin Lewis, who then asked, "Is there anybody here who has a guitar and knows how to play 'I Need You'?" My wife said that it's like going to an AMA convention and asking if anybody knows how to deliver a baby.

- But still, I thankfully have some incredible memories that I will always cherish...playing along with the little jam sessions throughout the hotel...getting Post-Its with room numbers...seeing how long it would take before the receiver from the house phone would somehow disappear mysteriously...watching drunk people hang over their balconies and yell, "BEEEEEEEAATLEFE-E-E-E-EST!!!!"...watching Liverpool perform "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)" in 2006 and seeing Mark Lapidos, who was sitting behind us, nearly fall to the floor laughing in tears...(see, he DOES get to enjoy some of the 'Fest!)...watching people fall out of their chairs laughing at "Greg Bravo" perform at the George tribute in 2002 (I have video of this, btw...people actually falling out of their chairs laughing at this guy)....seeking out -- and finding -- the annual issue of Go To The Window....got to chat with Mitch Axelrod on more than one occasion...staying up till 4:00am and singing Monkees songs with a couple of the New York/New Jersey folks who flew in to Chicago...suddenly leaving the 2005 Beatlefest early on Sunday because we found out that Brian Wilson was performing Smile in Chicago as a replacement for the Michigan gig that got cancelled...going up to Bruce Spizer's table every year he introduced a new book and saying, "One, please." (Maybe I'll return this year to do that again!)

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05/22/2011 03:52

Sean,

All of your points are valid (and some really funny!!!!). I had a BLAST in Chicago 2000 when I got to do my Beatletoons presentation in front of a packed, very receptive and FUN ballroom crowd! I agree that Chicago is definitely a MUCH different atmosphere than the NJ Fest. The hotel (pre renovation) was so much nicer and livelier than the "dump on the sump" in NJ. I've been going as a fan since 1977 and I have asked the Fourum guys if we should speak with Mark and suggest a brainstorming Fest group with attandees and others to try and bring it up to date, etc. I still think it is SO worth the effort if only to have a place where all Beatards (myself included in that) can meet up and hang with each other. Any suggestions for the future?

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05/22/2011 16:54

Mitch -- My wife and I have a theory that part of the reason for the different vibe in Chicago is the time of year. In Jersey the 'Fest is at a pretty dreary time of year, and it's just another weekend, meaning the kids are in school on Friday and Monday. But in Chicago it's during the summer when everybody's off, so it's more of a family atmosphere, much better time of year....

Another memorable moment...my wife and I are our friends in 2006 (I think) just decided to camp out in the ballroom one night one year at the fest just to see what we could see....as usual, Mark Hudson would do "Slow Down" and his medley that I like to refer to as "Long Down Darlin'"...maybe another guest or two...and we stayed for Peter and Gordon. We're not fans...nothing AGAINST them, we just never were P&G fans...but we were really wowed by them. They did a fantastic performance. I don't remember what song it was, but there were two bridges, and they took turns soloing on the bridges, and both of the guys would just beam when they got their applause after each bridge...that was just golden...never forget that...

Heh...and one of our friends got bombed one night one year before going to the ballroom...she's normally very quiet and friendly, but...she was very loudly heckling Jim Horn, yelling "You suck!" and laughing...it was a you-had-to-be-there moment, but that...was funny...especially because Horn absolutely did NOT suck...that night or ever....(for God's sake, he played on PET SOUNDS!!)

And something my wife always says: It's not Beatlefest until the Rosemont Fire Department shows up. Every. single. year. we went, they showed up for one reason or another.

Heh...and I remember one year I was really wanting to get Let It Be...Naked on vinyl, but couldn't find it for a reasonable price. One of the vendors told me that I'll NEVER find one for under $35. "I have 'em priced TWICE that in Jersey and I can't keep 'em stocked!" So what did I do? That night when we went back to our hotel room I went on Amazon.com and ordered a copy for $22 plus about $6 shipping. :)

Got to meet Neil Innes at the 'Fest a few times...really, really nice guy.

2004 -- instead of Beatley Incorrect one night, it was a debate between Martin Lewis and Bruce Spizer over the importance of the US albums. I was amazed at how civil it was. :)

Just too many memories...sorry to bogart the Fab Fourum blog!

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05/24/2011 05:52

Hey, guys --

Will you be doing a Paul-is-dead edition???

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Mitch
05/24/2011 08:05

Yes, we WILL be talking about McCartney and McCartney II. OHHHHH, THOSE RUMORS about PID. I thought you meant musically dead! LOLOLOL. Of course it's just a joke! Yes Sean, I have been suggesting it for a very long time and hopefully my Kermit The Frog sounding voice will be heard! Up the workers and all that! By teh way, we WILL be analyzing and reviewing the two new Macca reissues. The sound is AMAZING!

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06/09/2011 01:41

Since you spent an hour and a half discussing what I feel is a second-tier Paul solo album (MCCARTNEY), I expect you to spend AT LEAST two hours on MCCARTNEY II, which IMO is much better. :)

No, MCCARTNEY's OK, I just don't think it's nearly as wonderful as even Mitch seems to think. While I like "That Would Be Something", I've never kidded myself that it was anything but a riff. I never considered either "Every Night" or "Man We Was Lonely" particularly marvelous songs; they sound like toss-offs. They're pleasant (although I don't really like the duet in the latter; a harbinger of worse to come), but that's the best I can say for them. "Junk" and "Teddy Boy" are better, but he worked on them longer. The only real killer on the record is "Maybe I'm Amazed". As far as the bonus material, it sounds pretty pathetic. Again, MCC II has a lot more to offer in that respect, and it'll be the record I buy first.

I remember reading in THE BEATLES FOREVER that a lot of music critics described the record as "McCartney's NASHVILLE SKYLINE". For those who don't know, that was Dylan's laid-back, down-home album with "Lay Lady Lay". Pretty good description, I think.

Oh, but I agree with Ken: I think "Kreen-Akrore" is cool. I like the way he pants when he's drumming the last section. ;-)

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06/09/2011 01:57

Hey, guys; thanks for the shout-out. :) I'd like to tell the whole story I told Mitch, as I think it's pretty fun...

My wife and I live in Chicago....we lived in New Jersey for eight years and moved here in 2006 (my wife is actually from Jersey, so she actually lived there for over 30 years...but...). Our friend Dan is a major Beach Boys fan (as are we), and we met him literally the day before I moved to New Jersey in 1998.

Anyway, my wife and I religiously attended the Chicago Beatlefest, even when we lived in Jersey. Many times Dan would hang out with us at Beatlefest, and one year he mentioned that he wanted to buy a Paul McCartney CD, and he asked me for a suggestion. I had to think about it, but something occurred to me: Dan LOVES Smiley Smile, which is the album the Beach Boys put out after Brian Wilson decided that Smile was "inappropriate." Instead of a production masterpiece, it was a very low-production quicky thing he threw together. It includes a few recordings from Smile, a few Smile RE-recordings, and a few brand new songs (and almost every freakin' song has the droning sound of an organ that Brian Wilson ahd just purchased and was obsessed with...)...and Dan always gets angry when someone mentions Carl Wilson's quote about Smiley Smile being "a bunt instead of a grand slam" because he feels that Smiley Smile is very underappreciated.

Anyway...I thought about it, and figured something out: Smiley Smile and McCartney are very similar in terms of structure. Both albums have:

- A hit or two (either chart hits, audience favorites, or both) recorded formally in a studio while the rest of the album was recorded in the producer's home studio:
SMILEY SMILE: "Heroes And Villains," "Good Vibrations"
McCARTNEY: "Maybe I'm Amazed," "Every Night"

- A few fragments that are just the same thing repeated over and over:
SMILEY SMILE: "Whistle In," "With Me Tonight"
McCARTNEY: "That Would Be Something," "The Lovely Linda"

- An instrumental or two:
SMILEY SMILE: "Fall Breaks and Back To Winter" (well, it does have wordless vocals, but...)
McCARTNEY: "Kreen-Akrore," "Hot As Sun"

- (just thought of this now) A leftover or two that were originally written or recorded as part of an earlier album:
SMILEY SMILE: "Vegetables," "Wonderful," "Wind Chimes"
McCARTNEY: "Teddy Boy," "Junk"

Anyway, a couple of weeks later Dan e-mailed me that...it was a good call! He LOVED McCartney!

As a coda...weird thing, when my wife and I moved to Chicago in 2006, Dan and his wife were relocating (within the city) -- we both signed on for apartments literally a block and a half away from each other by sheer coincidence...

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06/09/2011 02:11

Hi Lynn,

I think you have me mistaken for Ken. I NEVER said I loved McCartney 1. I think I gave the original LP a 7 or 7.5. I DO like the remastering of it though! As far as Macca II, we purposely didn't give it as much as the first because we realized how long we went on the first one and made a conscious effort NOT to go anywhere near that. As it is, we gave it over an hour!

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Joseph Brennan
06/10/2011 05:08

Perhaps a topic for a future show...Giles Martin (son of George) was interviewed recently and indicated an interest in releasing an album of live Beatles recordings. This is quite encouraging to me, as there has never been a definitive live album from the group.

But there is so much more EMI could release as the 50th anniversary of the Beatles' invasion of America approaches. You can find a lot of this stuff on the web, of course, but I would hope for at least a 2-CD of demos, alternate takes and other rare recordings like the Cavern Club rehearsal of "I Saw Her Standing There," the Star Club take on "I'm Talking About You," the attempts to nail the iconic opening chord of "A Hard Day's Night," and so on.

All this could be part of a CD/DVD box set including the full Decca audition; the Washington Coliseum concert; the Shea Stadium concert; Live at the Hollywood Bowl(never released on CD); a Vol. 2 of Live at the BBC; "Yesterday and Today," with the infamous butcher cover; and no doubt some other things I'm forgetting. (I would reserve "Let It Be" for separate re-release on DVD.)

Call this imaginary box set "Encore" to commemorate when the group exploded on the scene.

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06/12/2011 09:39

Looking forward to MCCARTNEY II--the album and the show. BTW, I forgot to mention how surprised I was that you didn't use my favorite quote from Paul's self-interview:

"Playing with yourself is difficult but satisfying."

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Niels
06/15/2011 07:52

Great, great show about "McCartney".
Very interesting that you compare and divide the EMI songs with the home-made stuff. It is like two different albums! Recording and song writing-wise.
Overall it is very interesting for me, that the album has so many songs based on two chords. That tells it´s own story about an artist picking himself up.

Keep up the good work.

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Rachel
06/17/2011 03:44

In your Dylan & The Beatles episode, someone (can't remember who offhand) said that Paul never wrote a "Dylan-esque" song, which is a great observation, and also, really weird. There are pleeeenty of interviews where Paul says of any given song, "Oh, that's me trying to be ___ ____," or, "Oh, I was thinking of ____ ____ when writing this one." Just as I sat down to write this comment, his Lovin' Spoonful-inspired "Good Day Sunshine" came on for pete's sake! Strange that one of them was never Dylan, though I think somewhere (Anthologies?)he chalks most of "Rubber Soul" up to Dylan's influence on the band as a whole.

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06/17/2011 04:45

Hi Rachel,

Might have been me who said that and everyone chimed in. It IS very odd that Paul never wrote a song or even SANG a song a la Dylan. I was trying to come up with one but just couldn't! Still can't! It's just not his style! Oddly enough, he DID collaborate with Alan Ginsberg, a poet, on a song so he does have it in him. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm!

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Joey joe joe shabbadoo
06/22/2011 06:15

Another great Paul ep, guys! That guy was amazing and never fails to entertain! If not for Paul you wouldn't have much to talk about! Long live Paul!

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06/24/2011 09:50

Hey guys! Excellent podcast on McC II, but you knew I'd love it, didn't you? Well done.

I could go on for as long as you did, but I'll just stick to a few things that I think you missed, or could have discussed.

"Coming Up"--John called this a "damn good piece of work", but it's not clear whether he meant the studio or live take. Since he lived in the States, I suspect he meant the live take. Personally, I prefer the studio version, having gotten a promo single from a friend of mine who owned a record store and having heard it first. I always thought it was cool. BTW, in St. Louis, the urban contemporary radio station (aka "black" radio) always played the studio take! Interesting.

"Temporary Secretary"--I've heard at least three covers of this. Los Lonely Boys and How I Became the Bomb have their versions available on iTunes, and School of Robots has a YouTube vid. All awesome. And two years ago or so, a UK DJ began playing Paul's version in the clubs, and it was a #1 dance hit! So try it in NYC, by all means!

"Waterfalls"--Again, Lennon said it sounded like Paul was depressed. I guess you could see it that way. I always liked it.

"Bogey Music"--I hated that song when the album first came out--the only one I hated. Love it now. Didn't he use that same guitar riff somewhere on Back to the Egg? I forget which song, though.

"Darkroom"--Love it. There's a factor you guys didn't discuss, being guys, but this woman (at least) loves to hear Paul sing double-entendres. Oh yes, Paul, I'll go to your darkroom any time.

"Check My Machine"--See "Darkroom" above. Also "Temporary Secretary" and maybe "All You Horseriders" if you wanted to stretch a point. I think Paul had sex on the brain. :) Neat cover on YouTube, BTW. Almost jazzy.

"Secret Friend" is so amazing. Maybe my favorite McCartney B-side.

I guess I've said enough. I give the Deluxe Edition of McCartney II a 10 out of 10. The book is amazing--full of technical details, rare photos, and interesting stories. And the album was about 20 years ahead of its time in a lot of ways. Thanks for reviewing it!

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Esmirelda
06/28/2011 14:23

Just wanted to thank you guys for giving kudos (did I spell that correctly?) to my friend, Joe Pope. I wasn't able to attend his first 'Magical Mystery Tour' Beatles Convention, but it sounded like fun. I was a big fan of his magazine, Strawberry Fields Forever. His sense of humor made it an especially good read.

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06/28/2011 16:17

Esmirelda,

I used to call Joe's Beatle Phone every day for the latest in Beatle News way before anyone had it. He was a very cool guy with a great sense of humor.

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Blaine63
07/04/2011 06:58

The Beatles Lost Photographs was a great show and my record remains intact: I've purchased a copy of every book that has been the subject of a show (even Mitch's)!

It's a gorgeous book with fun, candid pictures. Can I be a geek for just a second? The equipment the Beatles used is one of my favorite subjects and the editing allowed a small mistake to creep in. On page 26 the caption says that Paul McCartney's 1963 Hofner Bass (which he is pictured as playing) was stolen during the for the promotional film for "Revolution" and that the Hofner Bass he plays today is the original 1961 model. Actually it was the original 1961 model that was stolen and it was stolen during the "Let It Be" film sessions at Twickenham studios. I refer to the book "The Beatles Gear" as well as numerous other sources for confirmation of this information. Okay...done with being a geek!

But it really is a great book and I recommend it to all Beatles fans. The images of the intimate and personal world that the Beatles occupied while on tour is refreshing and revealing.

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Michael
07/20/2011 06:56

I must say I was rather surprised that in your show about re-compiling 'The Best Of George Harrison' nobody even mentioned "Isn't It A Pity." Oh sure, it would have eaten up a big chunk of available vinyl space/time (or maybe not...after all, on Side Two of '1967-70' the full "Hey Jude" had six housemates) but that's a classic Harri-song, arguably one of the most well-known George tunes not included on the original 1976 comp.

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Mitch
07/20/2011 07:36

Michael,

I think the reason we didn't mention it is that we didn't want to make the Best Of another All Things Must Pass, which was just out 6 years prior. We all mentioned more ATMP songs than we would have liked because the catalog was pretty bare except for ATMP. It was harder than we thought.

Thanks for writing, and listening!

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07/22/2011 04:44

Michael,

I would definitely have included "Isn't It A Pity" if this was a CD with more room to hold a 7 minute song. All Things Must Pass had so many great songs that all received radio airplay it was tough to narrow it down. If I had 12 songs to include in a compilation, I wouldn't want more than 1/3 (4 songs) to be from All Things Must Pass, and my choice from the Bangla Desh concert was "Beware of Darkness," which meant having 5 songs originally from All Things Must Pass anyway.

I don't agree with Mitch that George's catalog was bare except for ATMP. You could have chosen 2 songs each (as I did) from Living In The Material World, Dark Horse and Extra Texture. And yes, a B-side to throw in there would be a nice touch as well.

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08/03/2011 06:08

SPOILER ALERT * SPOILER ALERT *

Interesting that you guys mentioned how the drawing of Paul on Revolver is in profile while the rest are "looking" straight ahead.

Some time ago when Klaus was here in Chicagoland for Beatlefest, during the Q&A part of his talk someone said (paraphrasing, of course): "Now, I know this is just pure silliness and I don't believe it myself, but it was said that the reason that Paul was in profile on the Revolver cover is that it was an indication that he was dead. can you comment on this?"

And Klaus just glared at this guy long enough for there to be an awkward silence, and said (almost verbatim, perhaps DEFINITELY verbatim):

"Everything you just said is crap."

Big laugh from the audience. The guy then tried to clarify himself and said roughly: "I know, I know, again, I don't believe anything about that silly rumor. But why did you decide to put Paul in profile but not the other three?"

And Klaus just said, "You don't understand. I do not want to talk about it."

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Mitch
08/03/2011 07:30

Sean,

Verrrrrrry interesting and definitely not shtoopid! (Laugh In reference). Makes you wonder if maybe the lads WERE involved in a bit of fun with the "clues" that would follow in later years! And Klaus may have been given direction in his painting and didn't agree with it and now doesn't want to talk about it. OR....it could just be that Paul wanted it that way for some silly reason and Klaus didn't like it and now doesn't want to say anything bad about Paul. Either way, it is odd that he would be so rude about a simple question. Klaus doesn't come off like that type of person at all.

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08/03/2011 07:48

I don't see it as being rude; I think he personally felt insulted that he was implicitly accused of being part of the hoax, although I seriously doubt that's what the dude was asking. Maybe a bit of a language barrier or something. (Really, you haven't lived until you've heard a guy with a German accent say, "Everything you just said is crap.")

What was odd is that Klaus's response to a lot...a LOT...of questions was, "You know...I...don't remember!" And Terri Hemmert joked at the end of the interview, "Well, Klaus, thanks for coming, I had a great time, and I hope you REMEMBER us later!" He laughed.

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Mitch
08/03/2011 07:55

So maybe Klaus WOULDN'T make a very good guest for Fab Fourum after all.....lololol.

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Chris
08/05/2011 05:28

I thought Paul's head was that way because if you revolved the album, he would be as in a coffin.

It's crazy with the clues. I think it was all a game, with the word LOVE and secret meanings. Maybe it was originally "love me deaux". : P Love YOU two.

Great ep, Fabs. Best yet imho. Keep up the great work.

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Mitch
08/05/2011 07:41

Thanks Chris,

That episode was recorded during an all nighter in the studio. By the end we were all exhausted. It was the very first time we did a recording throughout the night and in my honest opinion, they are 5 of the absolute best! We all contributed really some great insights. I think we may have been too tired to step on each other as we spoke...lolol. I like them a lot. Just MY humble opinion though!

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Whitcomb
08/07/2011 14:22

"Revolver," which my brother and I bought in 1966 with our paper boy money, never struck us as a record dominated by Paul. I can see now how people look at it that way, but we just thought, here's another Beatles album that hits it out of the park. What struck us was George coming to the fore with three songs.

My brother had scraped together about $30 or so to buy what, for the time, was a pretty good stereo. It was an Emerson model with built-in speakers and a turntable that you could fold up and lock. Anyway, it produced a very crisp and loud sound. My brother used to crank up "Tomorrow Never Knows" just to get a rise out of the old man downstairs.

"Revolver'' to me is the Beatles at their peak. It was installment No. 2 in what I call Capitol's Holy Trinity that starts with "Rubber Soul" and ends with "Yesterday...and Today."

It wasn't until the albums came out on CD that I heard the British version of "Revolver." That took some getting used to. I would still like to get the Capitol version on CD someday.

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08/17/2011 09:44

Hey, guys...good show, as always!

"Instant Karma!" was mentioned a couple of times...my wife's reading the book Fire and Rain, which is about music that was happening in 1970, with a heavy emphasis on James Taylor and CSNY...but she read something interesting in that book: it suggests that "Instant Karma!" is a jab at Paul...and you know? I absolutely cannot argue against that! Just look at the verbiage:

"Gonna knock you right in the face."

"We all shine on" -- as in "You're not the only one, dude, we're in the same boat."

"Instant karma's gonna get you" -- in other words, "you're being a DB, and it's going to come back and bite you."

"Better recognize your brothers" -- as in George, John, and Ringo?

"Why in the world are we here? Surely, not to live in pain and fear" -- kinda goes along with some of George's musical messages to Paul, like "Wah-Wah" and "Isn't It A Pity."

Thoughts??

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Esmirelda
08/22/2011 07:21

Hey guys,
I love the show.
Just wanted to say that I actually like it when you speak in Beatley voices. I think it adds to the fun of the show. Am I the only one?

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Mitch
08/23/2011 02:42

Hi Esmirelda,

Thanks for writing. Unfortunately, you are in the minority. We have a survey (have you taken it?)and most people don't like it so we have cut down tremendously in the past 6 months! Personally, I don't mind it because it breaks up some of the intense talk which we get into when recording. It takes a lot to record 4 or 5 shows in one sitting in the studio and anything we can do to help us along is okay by me! Oh well.

Thanks for your continued support!

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Whitcomb
08/29/2011 19:48

Re where the Beatles led us, I have to endorse the minority view among your panelists when it comes to ELO. I vote a hearty "thumbs down" on ELO -- never got into that band whatsoever. They seemed little better than a novelty group.

To demonstrate where the Beatles led popular music, just consider for a moment those who came in their wake -- The Pretenders, or REM, or U2, or the Police. Distinctive bands all, but they also demonstrate a strong Beatles influence. To take one example, whenever I hear "Talk of the Town" and that jangly guitar between verses, it's as if Chrissie Hynde and the group are bowing in homage to the Beatles. That's how I take it, anyway. I get the same feeling listening to "Man on the Moon" or "Every Breath You Take." I don't mean to say that these songs are derivative; I simply mean that the Beatles' influence shines through, maybe even unwittingly.

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09/23/2011 11:06

I noticed my favorite group wasn't on the "led us to" list, and that would be Crowded House.

As they are not a mainstream band, I'm not stunned or shocked. Surprised? A little. Disappointed? Not at all.

PS I LOVE Paul's new material! The Now here man interjects Love into every Day.

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09/26/2011 07:42

Hey Chris,

You are right about Crowded House. There are so many artists that are easy to overlook that show strong Beatle influences. I like a lot of the band's music, and some from Split Enz too. Someone wrote to us that we didn't mention Cheap Trick----now there's an oversight!

In my case, I was trying to explain that the Beatles lead me to accept so many styles of music that my tastes are extremely varied. Of course, there's the Beatlesque music too!

Ken

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Whitcomb
09/26/2011 19:09

Re Paul McCartney live,

I agree with the general thrust of the program that it would be nice if McCartney varied his setlist more....on the other hand, out here in the hinterlands (Omaha), we probably got our one shot to see McCartney in October 2005. He played before 18,000 for nearly three hours -- he changed his shirt once -- and he blew the roof off with "Band on the Run" and "Helter Skelter." But he also played some tunes that, at least at that time, you might not expect to hear -- "I'll Get You," "Too Many People," "I've Got a Feeling" and an absolutely kickass version of "Please Please Me" as part of his encore. All in all, a helluva show!

I was hoping for a little more from his solo catalog -- no "My Brave Face," alas, but on the other hand he did a wonderful version of "Fine Line" that had the audience dancing in the aisles. A word on the ticket prices: Back then, McCartney was charging $175, at least in Omaha, for the best seat, which seems more than reasonable when you consider that the following January (in 2006) the Stones charged $300 for the best seat in the same house.

I blew $750 to take my wife and our three kids to the McCartney show, figuring it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. We were way up in the rafters. Even my Nirvana-drenched son, 16 at the time, who was pretty blase about the Beatles, conceded it was a great show.

Still, I could have done without the 15 minute video that preceded the show -- hey Paul, we know who you are! And there was something cheesy about the pre-recorded strings that he seems compelled to use whenever he sings "Yesterday." It would have been far better to just play it acoustically, or with electric guitars as the Beatles did in Munich in 1966.

But nobody's perfect. Another highlight of the show was when he "busted" the security guards who were confiscating glo-sticks. He said from the stage something like, "I know you're doing your job, but they don't bother me." The guards sheepishly returned the glo-sticks.

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DonM
10/01/2011 14:59

Hi Guys,
Just finished listening to the Paul McCartney 'On The Run' episode. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the never-heard-before songs vs the overdone chestnuts.
How about fleshing that out a bit more and doing a show in which each of you present your 'ultimate Paul McCartney' set list? It would be very easy to come up with a list of songs he's never done live, but I'm going to suggest that your list should be one that satisfies the general fan as well as the hardcore fan.

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Niels
10/09/2011 05:16

Hi guys

Love your "What If" 1970 show. Really well thought out setlists.

The "Remember" jam wasn´t on "You never give me your money" but on "Something".

Keep up the great work. Will buy you some cups of cofee.

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Esmirelda
10/09/2011 13:47

Happy John Lennon's Birthday to all.

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DonM
10/26/2011 20:11

I'll just insert a curmudgeonly note here, if you don't mind...

Assuming we're mostly all relatively hardcore fans here, how many of us actually bought the Red & Blue albums? I mean, I had all the American and British albums at that point, so I never gave the compilations a second glance.

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Michael
10/27/2011 03:24

My answer to Don M.'s question of the previous post:

We probably are mostly all relatively hardcore fans here, yes, but we're not all first (or close second) generation fans who already had all the Beatles records prior to 1973.

Some (probably many) of us in here are fans of subsequent generations (like myself) who perhaps got the 'Red' and 'Blue' comps as their starting points of Beatle fandom, and then, enticed by what we heard, proceeded from there to explore the original album output.

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Mitch
10/27/2011 06:31

Great point Michael. I had all of the albums and I STILL bought both because it was new Beatles product and it was exciting! It was also a way to get their "greatest hits" in 2 packages so I didn't have to pull out all of the albums to listen to the various song!

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DonM
10/31/2011 18:16

Point taken, Michael. Yes, I was speaking as a 1st generation fan. Glad they acted as a catalyst for you.

But Mitch, shame on you. You know they are ALL greatest hits! ;o)

Keep up the great work, guys. Enjoy the shows immensely.

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Mitch
11/01/2011 02:05

Don,

OF COURSE they are all greatest hits....lolol. I was actually referring to what we said in the show about how they were never officially called greatest hits packages.

Have a great day.

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DonM
11/01/2011 20:28

Esmiralda! Just gotta thank you for turning me onto Stevie Riks.
The guy is hilarious! His 'Yes It Is' is just right on in so many ways.

Hmmm...wonder if he'd make a good guest?

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Esmirelda
11/02/2011 09:11

You're welcome, DonM.

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Ian
11/04/2011 06:03

I'm looking forward to # 100. Congrats to the four of you on 100 episodes of a show I love (unless, of course, # 100 is terrible, in which case congrats on 99 episodes that I love and one that I don't).

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Mitch
11/04/2011 07:10

Ian,

Thanks so much. It's been a blast these two years! We are actually going to post # 101 and leave #100 open because we have a different type of show for that one! We hope you enjoy them all! LOLOL. Have a great weekend.

Mitch

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12/05/2011 17:14

Just doing a multi-comment here....

Yeah, typically, if I have all the standard albums, I won't buy the compilations. However, with The Beatles, you never know what you're going to get. While I'm not a first-generation fan (I'm 37 years old and have only been a fan for 24 years), I knew enough to know that some of the comps have unique offerings. Reel Music had the stereo version of "I Should Have Known Better" without the harmonica flub. (I got that for free in a radio contest, though. :) ) 1962-1966 has the stereo debut of "A Hard Day's Night" in the U.S. I went to a used record store some years ago and found a French pressing of said album on red vinyl. Now...for the longest time, I was a slut for colored vinyl, and the price was pretty cheap, so I bought it...and it has the "whisper" version of "I Feel Fine"! (Most references say the British pressing has that version, but mine's a French pressing on Capitol.)

Re. Ringo and asking him Beatle questions...years ago, on WLUP in Chicago, Jonathon Brandmeier's producer Jimmy "Bud" Weiser interviewed Paul during the Tripping The Live Fantastic tour. He started the interview by saying something like, "Paul, I understand people ask you these questions all the time, but please bear with me..." And all the questions were things like, "Who do you think will win _____ this year?," etc. At one point Paul actually bust out laughing. One question was, "What's your favorite power tool?" Without skipping a beat, Paul said, "The DRILL, baby!"

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12/08/2011 02:53

Wow...two in a row...

Yesterday on the way to work I re-listened to the December 8 show from last year. As odd as it sounds, it really is one of my favorite Fab Fourums. Hearing just what it was like (I was only six years old on that day and didn't know anything about the Beatles except they were these guys who looked like Moe and sang "I Want To Hold Your Hand") and what was going on really is...therapeutic. That episode was just so well done.

And for contrast and so I can be reminded of the good things in life, today, even though it's the anniversary of that tragic day in 1980, I'm going to listen to the iTunes episode. I just can't get enough of Tony's Vesuvial expression of his thoughts...man, one of the greatest moments in (kinda) radio history!

*** SPOILER ALERT ***

Anyway, guys -- in episode 100 you're talking about various radio personalities that you'll probably try to get on the show. Have you considered reaching out to Dick Biondi? He is the first disc jockey known to play The Beatles in the United States, in early 1963 on WLS in Chicago...and he made "Please Please Me," IINM, a local hit. When he got fired from there after getting into a fistfight with one of the managers over the amount of commercial time in his show, he moved over to KRLA in Los Angeles, where he once again made The Beatles a local hit (and, as Bruce Spizer loves to point out, where Dave Dexter just a short distance away turned The Beatles down).

Dick's still on the air -- he's back at WLS at night, every weeknight until 11:00...still going strong. He was one of the many jocks fired in the great "Jack" debacle of 2005, and Chicago was more than happy to have him back on WLS (FM this time!)...

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DonM
12/19/2011 16:32

Another idea for a guest:

I stumbled across Penn Jillette's "Penn Point" on YouTube the other day, where he is discussing whether "Paul McCartney's Drummer [is] better than Ringo Starr?" and thought to myself, 'Wouldn't he make a great guest on Fab Fourum!' What do you think, guys?

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Whitcomb
01/02/2012 18:16

I think the Louise Harrison interview was a missed opportunity, but maybe you were under certain constraints....I realize you had only 27 minutes with her, but no questions about her early impressions of the group? Did she have any insight on the decision to fire Pete Best? Did she ever get the opportunity to see the Beatles perform before they were famous? Did she ever meet Stu Sutcliffe? What were her brother's hopes for the band? What did she think of John and Paul as young men? And so on.

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Mitch
01/04/2012 02:45

Whitcomb,

I respect what you say but....a couple of things:

1) I clearly state in the interview that this is NOT a full interview and that it would only be what her CURRENT Beatles-related projects are. That was HER stipulation because she had just received the Grammy nomination and wanted to get the Help Keep Music Alive program off the ground (no pun intended). I DID however break our rules and asked her about the George HBO documentary! She was gracious enough to respond.

2) This was only supposed to be a Fab Fourum web exclusive and not a "real" episode. Because of the holidays and New Year, we have not had an opportunity to get together to record and needed something to give our faithful listeners!

I did say that we would be doing a comprehensive interview with her in the New Year sometime!

Thanks and Happy New Year!

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Whitcomb
01/04/2012 20:54

Mitch,

Thanks for the reply. I didn't really mean to bang on you, but I can see now that my earlier post was probably a little snippy. Your points are well taken.

I hope you get that extended interview with Louise Harrison because I think it's great any time you can talk to someone who knew the Beatles in the very early days.

I find that period fascinating because the Beatles were hardly an overnight success. As you and your mates well know they had a long apprenticeship, with a lot of disappointments, before they made it. A lot of bands crumbled under such adversity.

I recall listening to Astrid Kirchherr talk on the radio about first seeing the Beatles in Hamburg. The music was raw and loud and there were often mistakes, but the Beatles just played on. They dressed like punks, and it was an us-against-the-world mentality. She'd never seen anything like it.

It's great when you can hear that type of first-hand account of the rise of the Beatles.

Here's to a good new year.

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Blaine63
01/07/2012 16:48

Nice Anthology 1 episode.

I think the anthology series was either a "no win" situation or a "win-win" situation for apple. A no win because they "had" to include so much that didn't really fit the esoteric tastes of the die hard fans and yet it had to contain pretty geeky stuff like That'll Be The Day that, really, is almost unlistenable to most casual fans (as an example: I listen to old garage recordings my band made all those years ago...and unless you're one of us in the band they really sound, in a word, bad. But we actually were pretty good). This series was always going to be a compromised release.

At the time...and now...I appreciate merely being able to hear a lot of the music. And while I wasn't overwhelmed with the "new" Beatles songs I appreciated that the effort was made to sort of, kind of, recreate the magic. I echo the sentiment, though (from whoever said it) that we didn't really need dialogue. My favorite nugget was I'll Be Back in 3/4 time. Pure gold...

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01/07/2012 18:30

Hey guys,

The Christmas break was a great time to catch up on episodes I haven't had a chance to listen to. A real hodge podge: Rock Band pt 1. and the New Yellow Sub, Mitch Talks to Louise Harrison, The Beatles and Buddy Holly, McCartney II: Analysis and Review.

I find your fan-dom, knowledge and interplay most entertaining and informative. So, thanks very much for the podcast and your dedication to it. There is some really great stuff there.

As for your recent episode on Anthology 1 (which I agree is not a focused collection) I thought the thrashing of the Morecambe & Wise show (and it's not pronounced More-Came, it's More-Come) belied a US-centric world view. M&W were comedy icons for Brits the way Johnny Carson was for Americans.

In the video, you can see how delighted they are to be there. Landing that spot with two of their comedy heroes was a big deal for the Beatles. I think it belongs on the Anthology, myself, because of its historical significance. I also think it has a cultural significance which helps contextualize the Beatles and place them in the variety milieu still prevalent when they came on the scene.

In this respect it makes sense on the Anthology to have five live tracks from the Stockholm show in October 1963, three from the Royal Command Perforamnce in November 1963, and four sections of their performance on Morecambe & Wise from December 1963. Those three gigs are all so different, and the Beatles shone at every one. Put simply, the Ed Sullivan Show is not the start of the Beatles story. They had a huge momentum going in parts of Europe and the whole of the UK before they crossed the pond. It's a very significant part of their story.

But yeah, a bit of a mixed bag the Anthology CDs. Apple trying to be all things to all types of fans results in things like this - brilliant bits and curious choices alike. They were also quite consciously trying to "beat the bootleggers" which I think was a big reason for some of the choices.

I did like Mitch's idea of dividing the CDs into demos, live, TV spots etc., although I think what they were trying to do was something chronological to tell the story from a different perspective.

Keep up the great work. Keep all the shows available for guys like me who take a while to catch up!

Cheers!







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Whitcomb
01/10/2012 05:25

Re Anthology 1, on balance I think it's a solid record though it certainly has some clunkers. It is almost painful to listen to "Moonlight Bay," but it's important to remember that the Beatles were being good sports by doing that number on the Morecambe and Wise show.

The biggest shortcoming of this album is what's not on there -- you could easily have had a third disc. I read somewhere there's supposedly 400 hours of rehearsal tapes, out-takes and so on in the EMI vaults, so apparently there's plenty available.

Apple/EMI has an opportunity to rectify this by putting a lot more out in the coming years. They could easily tie it to the 50th anniversary of the group.

Looking forward to future discussions of the Anthology series.

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